[John Michael Kane]

(11-09-2018 04:00 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 01:48 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 01:12 PM)gework Wrote:  

From reading here it seems like this year has been a banner year in The West for the decline of male SMV.

You could have made this post every year since the inception of this forum.
Every year, there's a select group of guys that will whine to no end about how the sky is falling.
Yet if you think about it logically, "the decline of male SMV" makes no logical sense.
Until women figure out a way to reproduce by themselves, male sexual market value will remain constant. It is not in decline.
What I think the old heads are complaining about is that male SMV is changing and they are feeling left out. Gone are the strong alpha males, the Paul Newmans and Marlon Brandos of yesteryear. , they lament.
But so it goes. Values do not decline, they change. In the age of social media, Fame is now more important than Game. And some guys will cling to their old beliefs until they finally figure that out.

I believe your view on this is wrong. I believe that in the west male SMV becoming more unequal... not declining. This is why we can't really agree on the topic. It's getting WAY easier for top tier guys and way fucking harder for the bottom 80%. Combined with the fact that the cities are now packed with guys that would be normal in a different culture, but instead are convinced the best way to attract women is to lick their high heels clean every day.

A lot of the guys on the game thread think that the politics thread is stupid... and vise versa. That's wrong too. Women vote in mass numbers and their collective goal is to create the largest safety net possible while sticking men with the bill.

The greatest check that has ever existed on Hypergamy is limited resources. Women who have their basic needs unmet will look for a man to rely upon. Women who grow up with every financial need met will instead be driven much harder by hypergamy. They have their needs met, so they can risk producing babies with Alphas that bounce... or not having children at all.

Which leads me to the biggest point where I think you are wrong. It isn't women choosing to reproduce by themselves.... instead they choose not to have children at all.... because no suitable alphas make themselves available and many won't settle for a beta because their basic material needs are met.

I think EndsExpect is on to something here.

Many women are not able to get the alphas they get to sleep with them to commit, much less commit to marriage. Many beta/omega male types in the West are not desirable to most women. (Due to them actually not being desirable, as in overweight, poor job prospects, lack of emotional maturity, or...they are desirable, but the women have unreasonable standards.) It is a combination of many men being total schlubs, and also because women's basic and collective needs being taken care of, they chose to not have children, because they choose not to marry, because they can't find anyone they find attractive to marry them.

Also, with high-def porn, I think many men are just choosing to be omegas and not bother with women in general, meaning the number of men who have taken themselves out of the relationship/marriage game is significant, especially when you factor poor male career prospects in many areas, now that those same jobs have been taken over by women, outsourced overseas, or eliminated by technology.