[Johnnyvee]

(10-27-2018 06:09 PM)Number one bummer Wrote:  

(10-27-2018 05:13 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  

(10-27-2018 04:57 PM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  

(10-27-2018 01:11 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  

(10-27-2018 01:06 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

It's not crazy. Churches have money. More than enough to hire a private security company that has a gun license. If the church is fledgling, don't post signs saying no guns at the front door. Some have even designated a few bishops to be carrying concealed during service.

Just because something feels distasteful isn't good enough for survival. Tactical reality is a must because you cannot control other people outside your own walls.

Maybe it`s the European in me, but I think it`s absurd and paranoid. If you have a society where you have to take those measures "just in case," something is extremely wrong. Which I guess is the case for various reasons. Better to deal with those issues instead. (Easier said than done of course.)

You need to go look at the migrant invasion of europe thread immediately.

The implied issues I mentioned would be just those things. But you don`t solve that by making the whole land more controlled and surveyed all the time. That`s how you lose your freedom. This is not the wild west we`re talking about. If you ask Government for more control, they will be extremely happy to comply. This is a false narrative/Hegelian dialectic type trap. Let the migrants in>more violence etc>less freedom/extraordinary measures. (As far as Europe is concerned.)

Also, even though I`m not a particularly religious man, armed guards at a church seems a bit absurd again. What happened to; turn the other cheek. I don`t think good old (((Jesus))) would approve of that.

Just stay a soft target then. The only argument for the muzzie invasion of Europe is the fact that most Europeans deserve it. The straight soy mindset of being triggered by guns/self-defense held by the average European is sad. I know plenty of churches in the Midwest that embrace having members conceal carry. There have been plenty of failed church shootings from this fact, they just get zero national media attention because they have the wrong narrative and the victims don't check the right boxes.

Turning the other cheek doesn't refer to letting yourself get murdered. Ensuring safety at private institutions has nothing to do with government intrusion, it's the best argument against it.

What`s the point of living in a society where you have to carry a gun in order to feel safe? No real trust in your fellow man! I really don`t get that attitude at all. Having the right is one thing, having the need for it is another. Austria and Hungary have both been successful in halting immigration as an example. That`s what I`m talking about. A real solution.

What you get for giving in to demands of more security however is not the independent man defending himself. (Which is not that bad.) You will get more law enforcement/surveillance/totalitarian Government. As I said, just give them half a chance...maybe some of those Boston dynamic Terminator drones also, in due time.

Ask yourself this; has the second amendment (which I do support) altered the course of the US demographic change? Or the rise of Feminism or Socialism in the US? Or the National debt build-up? It`s good to have the right to carry a weapon, but that does not solve these issues.