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Roosh Live #23 - Jordan Peterson
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Roosh Live #23 - Jordan Peterson

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Excellent post. It seems you are grappling with a kind of cognitive dissonance that is common to all of us, particularly people who have been raised with a liberal, live and let live sensibility.

On the one hand, let them do their thing. On the other, why are we so repelled by them? Why is there this instinctive anger and repulsion to actions that are often non verbal or even when they are verbal, seem small enough that they could be taken in stride? (Not including having them try to grab your junk. That is pretty extreme.)

The best breakdown of gayness, and why it is wrong, that I have come across comes from a Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, who was a psychologist who specialized in helping gays come back to being heterosexual.

The mainstream media treats guys like Nicolosi as if they are pray-the-gay-away homophobes who should be locked up. Nicolosi was nothing like that, and there are plenty of videos of his lectures on Youtube if anyone is interested.

I have to say that Nicolosi also red pilled me on the concept of gender, which I didn't think I needed, because I thought it was all simple, men were men, and women were women.

His basic idea was that gender, or more specifically, sexual identity, while matching the genitals in the overwhelming majority of cases, sometimes doesn't take, and people get confused. He also says that it is easier for women, because they get to take their identity from their mothers, who have been the primary caretakers since childhood, so all they really have to do is copy what they see.

For boys it is harder, because they also are raised by women, but they can't just copy the mother to find their natural identity. No, at some point, they have to make a jump to copying the father, and they can only do this easily if the father is two things: Strong and good. With a strong and good father, the boy can accept a move away from his primary caretaker to someone else to model his behavior after.

The point with gay men and trannies is, when the father is absent, when he is strong but not good, or good but not strong, a lot of times, he cannot make the jump to a male as a role model for his identity, and then he is left in a kind of an undefined gray area, still a man, but still taking his cues from his mom.

But here is the key insight from Nicolosi that applies to the situation you have described. Gay men and trannies are not simply another orientation that must be respected, they are just heterosexual men who failed to achieve their masculine identity.

And THIS is why these guys piss us off so much. He describes how, over and over, gay men have said to him that they always looked up to masculine men, wanted to be them, but felt left out and inadequate, so, according to Nicolosi, when they pursue their sexual strategies, they are not seeking a natural complement in a woman, but they are seeking to possess and take away the natural masculinity from a natural man.

The bolded bit is the part that red pilled me on homosexuality and made me understand my revulsion to it.

The gay man is not innocently initiating courtship, he is trying to possess another man's masculinity, to take it from him.

It is for this reason that we naturally experience anger and disgust that appears to be all out of proportion to what happened. Because instinctually we know that this person is trying to take our natural birthright from us, our masculinity.

This also explains all the trickery and all the passive aggression. A gay guy hitting on you or trying to embarrass you with sexual talk in public is not the equivalent of a chick teasing you to flirt.

He resents you. He covets what you have. And instead of looking to find it in himself, he is trying to take it from you. He hates you because you have something that he doesn't. He isn't just trying to sleep with you, he is trying to tarnish your own natural sexual identity by soiling it in exactly the same way his has been soiled.

He wants you exactly the way he is: Confused. Self hating. Self destructive. He is a crab in a bucket and a cuckoo in another bird's nest. He means you harm.

None of this of course can be said in polite company and, at this point, probably shouldn't. Still, it is crucial that every man understands what is really going on and what is at stake.

And if you have some time, spend a few hours watching Joseph Nicolosi videos. It is a red pill education. Sexual identity is real, and is not to be taken for granted, and like everything else, is harder for men to achieve and protect than it is for women.

Nicolosi lays out how all this works in a clear and compelling way from a psychological point of view.

He makes a hell of a case, and any time spent in his company is a breath of fresh air, because he gives clear theoretical explanation to something that all men know but cannot articulate.

We may have to live with gay men at work or in our families, but we do ourselves and them a disservice when we encourage them when they act out their pathologies.

We have to be aware of what they are up to, and up to the task of discouraging it, even if it is all done nonverbally.

They are not harmless or annoying. They are trying to appropriate something that does not belong to them, and they have to be rebuffed and shown that it will not be tolerated.

Short version: Pat yourself back for losing it in the airport. Your intuition overrode your social programming because it knew the fuck what it was doing.

If enough people did this society just might change for the better.

“The greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents.”

Carl Jung
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