[Investment Bro]

(09-06-2018 04:20 PM)Professor When Wrote:  

I wonder, though, if a place like this self-selects for people that possess a critical mass of traits that are desired by women and simply teaches them to use those traits.

I'd say it's 50/50. Some guys are just naturals. Even before I "knew" game, I never had a problem connecting with women. I've never taken myself too seriously and that has always made it easy for me. I wouldn't say I was a natural like others here, however.

If you spend enough time here you'll see complete 360 degree turnarounds, but it does take time. I promise that you have traits that are desired by women, but for whatever reason those aren't readily presented or developed yet. Bringing those out is really what game boils down to in the end. Basically expressing the best, and most attractive parts of you in a natural way.

(09-06-2018 04:20 PM)Professor When Wrote:  

Look at Investment Bro's story. I have never been subject to an unconditional act of kindness from women my own age. So I have to wonder, what is he leaving out? Or what did she have to gain?

The part that was left out was mentioned above. We had a good connection. Also, we were both younger and much less cynical.

I can understand why you would view this as a give and take. Had I not been successful early, I can see myself feeling the same way. The thing with women that I realized early, as long as you maintain strong emotional engagement with them, they will continuously give to you without you having to give much in return.

You tell me, do you think you're lacking in your ability to emotionally engage women? This is an honest question.

(09-06-2018 04:20 PM)Professor When Wrote:  

I think it is possible that you are looking at the wrong order of cause and effect with some of the people that you deem to have too much of those negative traits that cause their unhappiness.

Both you and the OP are caught in the same negative feedback loop, but thankfully both of you know it. That means you can break free.

The cause of the problem: lack of positive emotional and sexual experiences with women.

The effect: Greater difficulty having positive emotional and sexual experiences with women. Leads to further resentment, which leads back to a lack of positive emotional and sexual experiences.

(09-06-2018 04:20 PM)Professor When Wrote:  

I find myself in a very similar place as the OP, although I am trying to build my desire for women. People as a collective seem to like me, but individual women do not.

Numbers my friend. Most women don't like me either!

(09-06-2018 04:20 PM)Professor When Wrote:  

For example, in Bang/Day Bang Roosh talks about women engaging in polite conversation but displaying disinterest.

I don't necessarily agree with Roosh on this. If a woman is actively showing interest in you, then pulling back and displaying indifference works. But if you're indifferent from the get go, you're going to elicit a similar response from women unless there's other physical or environmental factors going for you.

Indifference doesn't get their emotions going until they're interested in you. Other than the women that are an immediate no, you'll have two groups of yes women. The ones that like you just enough to give you a chance, and the ones that REALLY like you from the get go (5-10%). With both of these groups you need to throw bait to get them to engage. That means being engaging yourself! You can still do the polite talk, but engage a little bit yourself. Smile, say something outlandish to see how she reacts, and then go from there. You'll be amazed what you can get away with saying if you've got a good shit eating grin.

The effing shit eating grin has gotten me more bangs than I care to count.

(09-06-2018 04:20 PM)Professor When Wrote:  

I get outright ignored. I'm not some autistic sperg that can barely stutter out a "hello," but I will sit down next to a girl in class or try to chat with a girl hanging around campus and she will not utter a word to me. I talk, they look at me, and they go back to whatever they were doing. This happened twice today.

Can you tell us a little bit more about how you opened them? This definitely happens to all of us, but do you think you're coming off as a little bit mechanical? That's the sense I'm getting based on your general tone.

(09-06-2018 04:20 PM)Professor When Wrote:  

You cannot honestly tell me that you think one needs game just to chat. There must be something else going on. I never have those problems when I engage a group of people, even ones of all women. There's not a smooth curve on the graph of quality men for who women are receptive to. There is a sharp cliff where after a certain point women regard you as almost nonhuman. So while both the OP and I can certainly rectify this by improving ourselves, don't make believe that our attitude and negativity sprang from nowhere to cause our failure.

You're definitely right, negativity does not just spring up on it's own, nor did I suggest that. Can you tell me a little bit more about the attempts at conversation? It's very possible you just opened some mean spirited bitches. Happens to the best of us.

The degree to which women are receptive is so situationally complex. That's part of the reason there's such an emphasis initially on reading IOIs. It's a lot easier talking to a receptive woman as opposed to just sitting next to someone and trying to strike up conversation. Of course, you should attempt to open as many women as possible, but understand that the majority of them will not like you. I'm tall, in good shape, and average looks. Even with what I would say is good game, I do get ignored.

I promise though, the rewards are worth it. There's nothing like your first real game success. The second you have it, you'll find yourself in a much different place.