[Matt3B]

(06-07-2018 08:39 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(06-07-2018 08:02 AM)Matt3B Wrote:  

I've got to say, I'm despairing at some of the replies in this thread.

If you're at the scene and see somebody weaker getting bullied by someone bigger for no reason, and you don't want to help, you are a coward. She's right in that regard.

Sure, you want to look after yourself and protect yourself. I get that. But you can't come on this forum and say "fuck that woman, she is nothing to me" and then also bemoan the state of the west and hold desires to move out east where people would stick up for her.

We live in communities. We protect one another in the face of danger, and we all want that for the communities we live in. We don't want thugs walking around threatening people and having the rest of the community cower in the face of danger. That's not a strong community.

Whatever her votes were in whatever elections, do you want to think of yourself as a man by watching some short middle aged woman get threatened physically by some 6 foot idiot whilst doing nothing?

My friend recently witnessed some woman who is selling the Big Issue magazine outside of a supermarket get physically threatened by a homeless guy who was literally frothing at the mouth in rage. She was looking around for help and everybody kept their heads down. It's sad and pathetic. Would you have stepped in there to help?

This is not good risk analysis.

Take me for example. I carry a handgun with a license in the USA everywhere I go. If I am at the local grocery store and someone is beating the shit out of some woman, the last thing I am going to do is try to stop it.

Several reasons for that:

1. I don't know what skills or strength that man might have. He could be high on PCP or painkillers and numb to anything you try on him and knock you out into a coma.

2. He might have a knife or a handgun himself.

3. He might disarm me of my personal handgun or knife and be justified in shooting me. (I'd become yet another Trayvon Martin)

4. I cannot use deadly force on a man that is not using deadly force if he is not several times larger than myself (An American law issue). So therefore I am not going to roll on the ground with a stranger or attempt to pull him off someone else.

5. Additional risks if my small children are nearby and he decides to attack them instead or they get scared and run to my legs (to help daddy) and get seriously hurt or killed.

6. The female of the man you just fought or shot/killed can and usually will sue you in civil court for killing her boyfriend/husband. Now you are easily out 10K USD for a lawyer to fight it off, even if it goes nowhere.

7. Every bullet has a lawyer attached to it, so if one round hits someone else's car or their leg or whatever, now I am financially ruined or out of yet another 10K+ in lawyer fees and other penalties. (An American issue but still)

The correct steps are to stand back, call the police or 911, get a good description of the assailant and wait for the authorities to arrive. You are fulfilling your Good Samaritan legal requirements by doing so.

By the way, if you get a handgun license (in Texas at least), they usually tell you to do exactly this to protect yourself legally. If you remove all the points I made related to handguns, replace with knife, or even fist, it's the same thing.

Look no one likes the current state of affairs in the West, but you cannot expose yourself to serious legal issues and unnecessary physical bodily harm. They took away the right for men to handle things in the old ways and coddled human filth and trash. Adapt or pay the price. Unless they are hurting your family or friends, stay out of other people's business. The law is not going to protect you if you fail to stay out of it. Whiteknighting does not pay. Probably never has.

You cannot even spank your children in public, how on Earth are you going to spank another grown man's ass and expect to get a pass for doing so?

I guess you were typing this and didn't see my follow up, but yes, agreed, you have to assess the level of risk in the situation.

I'm not saying you have to go in with force directly, but even calling people out to step away from the situation is enough for them to back away - like the situation I described with the homeless guy. Only once have I been told to mind my own business when I saw someone getting threatened and looking for some help. When the guy looked at me with serious intent if I didn't back away, I backed away.