Quote: (12-06-2017 02:43 PM)lowhead360 Wrote:
Interesting. I always had an image in my mind of the Irish as a take-no-shit kind of people who would always be willing to spill their blood to protect their independence and culture.
Did this image have some truth at one point, or was it more or less always like this (even with the Catholic Church being as strong as it was)?
For centuries there was dozens of failed revolutions, England conquered Dublin as a beachhead, but then rest of the country was constantly being fought and won from the Irish only for the Irish to win it back, they were too ruly and tribal to rule until 1603 or so when the last kings of Ireland/Earls fled for the European continent, then the UK decided to plant what has become known as Northern Ireland with Protestant farmers starting there first, in large part it failed, but the settlers stayed there with the native Catholics.
Cue another 3 centuries of religious strife and violence and failed revolutions and we have the peaceful stalemate we have today where there is one island, two states if you will, but is ruled Republic of Ireland (26 counties) and a poorly managed Northern Ireland (of 6 counties ruled at times by the UK (directly at the moment), because the local parties always fall out of other some rather arbitary mishap that is indignant outrage to the max). Imagine in the USA, the far left and far right having to make a coalition government, because they're the only two that kept getting voted in, ending up with most of the pie. Long story short.
To answer your question the fight has been bred out of the Irish and we've being told to forget because any of idea of Nationalism gets linked to the situation in Northern Ireland as a n accusation that you are trying to restart a war (over petty reasons anyway now because few Catholics and Protestants are practicing anyway) and not the fact of having the idea of nationalism having nothing to do with the British people at all or even a 32 country state, but perhaps unchecked immigration which the leftie marxist nationalist Party Sinn Fein (former terrorist party and don't let anyone lie to you) are all in favour for north and south.
We have tunnel vision and its going to come bite us in the arse. The elite would rather have us fight the English and ourselves, than see the other threats, because it has context and history, its easy
The media and public have no context for an Islamic Caliphate, its alien to them and 98% people. And would be a REAL honest to god fight to save our souls, where everybody has skin in the game and something REAL to fight for again.
Another plantation of Ulster again just like in the 17th century that we still feel today and all the suffering since and that was a culture we invited in that something we had almost everything in common with, if we couldn't deal with that minor change, then how the FUCK do our leaders expect to integrate an absolutely alien culture to our own?