Hello chaps,
I've been a long time reader of this site and found it incredibly useful so thought I would give something back to the community. I'm a 32 year old divorced father of one. I'm English but grew up in Canada so I have dual CAN/UK citizenship. I'm currently living in Zug, Switzerland (fantastically low taxes....incredibly ugly women!). I'm 5'9 and weigh 180 lbs, I'm blonde with blue eyes, I lift and play ice hockey so I'm in decent shape but I wouldn't class myself as muscular. I have a beta-male round face and a weak jaw line (picture the cartoon character Tin-Tin and that's pretty much me!). I'm an investor so I'm desk-bound Monday to Friday but I try to travel as much as I can on the weekends when I don't have my child. I tend to run a mild form of "high roller" game which has its pros and cons. I make a mid 6-figure salary, dress well (typically suit game), and have the typical "banker" trappings such as a flashy car and a Rolex.
Now, on to the good stuff. I spent a week in Bucharest in late October and had a great time there. I ended up with 3 bangs in 7 nights. Before going into the nitty gritty details of my trip, I want to share a few observations that you all might find useful.
1) Work does not pay well in Romania: So what, you may be asking, why does this matter? Unlike in the West where studying hard and going to University and landing a good job can lead to an upper class lifestyle (think doctor, lawyer, Wall Street banker) there aren't really a lot of opportunities for smart Romanians to make it big through work in Romania. Most of the jobs here are low-level IT jobs or back office banking jobs that have been outsourced from expensive Western countries to cheap places like Romania. Professionals like doctors and lawyers don't make much more than the average person, despite putting in a lot of effort to get those jobs. The people who are making big bucks in Romania tend to be corrupt businessmen and politicians, scammers, drug dealers & pimps (at the high end), and footballers. The end result of this is that working is looked down upon. If you have to work for a living you're viewed as either not smart enough to scam people for a living, or not good looking enough (if you're a woman) to be sponsored by a rich guy. As a result of this, the best and brightest Romanians leave the country as soon as they can to take up jobs in Western Europe.
2) Women know that their pussy has monetary value: Romania is the whore factory of Europe with many young girls going to work as pros in Western Europe. In the top brothels in Switzerland, these girls can make up to 20K a month lying on their backs getting ploughed by fat old bankers. When these girls return to Romania, with a couple 100K in savings, a nice apartment fully paid for and a new car, other girls start asking questions. "How does she have that lifestyle with no education and no job?" This reinforces point #1 above. The girls, even the non-pros, realize that they are better off using their pussy for money than studying hard and trying to get a good job. Why bother trying to become a doctor or lawyer when you can make big bucks lying on your back for a couple of years.
3) The women: are mostly brunettes with brown eyes. I would say that blonde guys will do well here as you will stand out. The girls have nice legs and tend to dress sexy but not slutty (not a lot of cleavage on display). I saw a lot of high heels during the day which I love. The downsides are that the women smoke like crazy and have bad teeth. One thing I notice comparing western girls to EE girls is that, due to having more money, western girls dress better, have better makeup, have their hair done, and can afford to fix their teeth. Unfortunately many of them are fat so this cancels out those positives. EE girls, on the contrary, tend to have great figures and pretty faces but lack that polished look you get with the high end girls back home.
4) The local guys: Generally people are quite short in Romania so, despite being under 6 foot, I felt slightly above average haha. The guys do not approach and generally rely on social circles to meet girls. I had no issues with the local guys and found them quite friendly to me. The average guy has brown/black hair and brown eyes and doesn't lift. generally I didn't see too many muscle men around town.
5) ONS culture and English: Although I managed to get a SNL in Bamboo club, I found it difficult to get a bang without at least getting to the second date. The local guys told me that generally there is no ONS culture here and that met my expectations from what other forum members have posted. English levels are good and almost everyone under 30 spoke some English. Many TV shows and movies are shown in English with Romanian subtitles so Romanians are exposed to the language from an early age.
6) Bucharest the city: Apparently it was voted to be the ugliest city in Europe back in 2011 and I can fully concur with that statement. The city used to be called the Paris of Eastern Europe and you can still see some of the remnants of that in the architecture. However, the city was bombed during WW2 (by both the allies and the Germans) and unfortunately was rebuilt in typical communist fashion with loads of ugly concrete tower blocks. There is no real tourism industry in Bucharest with Romania focusing its tourist efforts on Brasov and other prettier cities in Transylvania.
7) A few thoughts on "high roller" game: Before I head to a city I check the p4p rates of the high-end pros (the 9's and 10's) so I have a rough idea of what the going price of sex is. When I'm out in clubs running this kind of game I refuse to spend any more than what an hour of guaranteed sex with a 9 or 10 would cost me. I find with high roller game it's a game of cat and mouse. As a guy you want to spend as little as possible and bang, as a chick you want to extract as much cash as you can without giving up the bang. If I'm not able to convince a woman that I "might" be a good sponsor based on my appearance then I just cut my losses and move on. If a girl starts asking for pricy bottles or dinners, again I move on. A high end p4p girl in Bucharest is looking for about 500 RON (125 Swiss Francs) for an hour. I was spending around 200 RON (50 Francs) a night in the high end clubs on drinks for myself and the girl I banged from Bamboo Club.
Now, on to the actual action...
1) Online game: I pipelined using Tinder, Badoo, and Couchsurfing about a week before I arrived in Bucharest. I had minimal success on Tinder and Badoo but YMMV. Surprisingly, I had a lot of luck with Couchsurfing. I managed to get 2 dates off this site and one of my bangs was from here. The best part about Couchsurfing is not so much the girls but the events that are hosted. Local Romanian guys basically set up pub crawls through the Old Town every weekend and they use this avenue to try and pull tourist girls. I showed up to one of these events on a Thursday night and had a great time. Most of the guys who attend these events will be betas with no game so if you have any sort of game you should be able to work the group. I had a German exchange student basically offering it to me by night-end but she was at best a 6 so I declined. Also, quite a few local Romanian women attend these events too hoping to meet a foreign guy so I would make an effort to attend at least one of these events (typically run from Thursday night to Saturday night).
2) The Old Town: I think this place is highly overrated and a tourist trap full of scammers. It's still worth going to for a bit of fun and some of the bars are nice and it does guarantee crowds every night of the week. The problem with the Old Town is that (i) it's full of tourists so you won't meet good local girls there, (ii) it's crawling with ugly street walking prostitutes who pester you constantly, and (iii) the bars are full of scammers. I discovered this on my second night out. I went to a few bars/clubs two nights in a row and saw exactly the same girls in the same bars as I saw the previous night. They were local Romanian girls and very good looking and, of course, very friendly. After chatting to a few of them they told me that they work in these clubs attempting to get guys to buy them drinks. They get a cut from the bar from the money spent. As soon as you make it clear that you have zero intention of buying them drinks they move on to the next chump. I actually saw one poor black guy fall into this trap. There were these two stunning girls standing by the bar and I saw him buying them each a cocktail. As soon as he had finished handing over the cash to the barman the chicks were gone, chatting to two new guys. I gave him a quick look of condolence knowing that we've all been there at one point in our lives. Another thing to watch out for are the pimps. Each of these girls is working for a guy and he takes a cut from her cut. Generally the pimps sit in the bars but away from the girls, just close enough to keep an eye on them. They all dress the same so they are easy to spot (backward baseball hat, black leather jacket, hard man look on their faces). If you make a wrong move on one of these girls you might get some unwanted attention from the locals haha.
3) The high end clubs: There are 4 high end clubs in Bucharest. They are Bamboo, Fratelli, BOA, and Players Club. There used to be a club called the Bellagio but it has since closed down AFAIK. If you want to meet the local 8/9/10's you need to go to these places. Now, you need to understand how these clubs work. Basically they are not dance clubs as one would imagine in the West. These clubs have no real dance floors, they are just rooms full of tables for ordering bottle service. The purpose of these clubs is to allow Romania's "new money" to show off its wealth by sitting in VIP areas spending large sums of money on bottles. This is a bit of a conundrum. On the one hand these places have the best girls, but on the other hand they are hard to get access to. The girls basically sit in their mixed groups around a table snapping duck face poses into their iPhones to post on Instagram while the guys sit there and drink.
Basically you have three types of girls in these clubs. Type 1 are the high end girls who are "sponsored" by the wealthiest Romania guys. These are the best looking girls and they know it. They never leave the table area so it's hard to approach them.
Type 2 are what I call the "club bitches." These are girls who come to the clubs desperate to find a local sponsor to convert them into a Type 1 girl. These girls spend the bulk of their disposable income on trying to look good enough to find that rich local guy that they crave. These girls hang out at the bar or near the tables and are easy to approach. You can run "high-roller" game on these chicks and try to con them into thinking that you might be a potential sponsor. I actually got a bang from this in Bamboo Club. I rolled in wearing a suit and with my blonde hair it was obvious that I was a foreigner. I wear nice shoes (women always notice a guys shoes) and a Rolex so I fit the image of a "potential sponsor" so if you want to play this game you have to look the part.
Type 3 girls are the nice girls from well to do families who have money and are out for a good night to have fun with their friends. They tend to be students or have good jobs and are looking for well-educated family oriented guys for LTRs. These girls generally don't sit at the tables but hang out around the bar area. They are easy to approach and generally willing to talk to you. They dress less slutty than the Type 2's so you can distinguish between the two. These girls are great if you live in Bucharest and are looking for a LTR, but I found them unwilling to commit much time to a guy who was not from there. I met a beautiful lawyer at Player Club who spoke perfect English and we chatted the night away but then, like a flash, she just got up, kissed me, grabber her coat and left. Later her friend told me that she didn't want to get too carried away as she knew I would be leaving and she didn't just want to be another notch in my book.
4) Street Game: I spent the days wondering up and down the Boulevard Ion C. Bratianu which is the main street that runs through the city. There is a large shopping centre at the bottom of the street and the University at the top of it. It takes about 20 minutes to walk up and down. The main problem with street approaches here is that the women either walk with their heads in their phones, are talking on their phones, or listening to music from their phones. I would say that only 1 in every 5 girls you would want to approach is actually not on her phone. Anyway I found the women easy to approach and all very friendly. I didn't get any blowouts or bitchy attitudes. Having said that, I also didn't get any dates out of it so it was more for fun. My street game is not that great so some of you guys with better game might have more success. Funnily enough I only saw one other guy in my whole week there doing street approaches and when I went to speak to him it turned out he was a local Romanian guy who had been watching game tutorials online.
5) Café game: There is a Second Cup coffee shop right across from the University as you exit the University metro station. The street is called Regina Elisabeta. This place is a gold mine full of young students at almost any time of the day. I would head there with a book and just sit there for hours reading and drinking coffee and checking out the babes. The only issue here is you have to space out your approaches so that the girl you just spoke to doesn't see you speaking to every other girl. I managed to get a date out of this with an architect student but unfortunately it was at the end of the week so I didn't have time for a second date.
I've been a long time reader of this site and found it incredibly useful so thought I would give something back to the community. I'm a 32 year old divorced father of one. I'm English but grew up in Canada so I have dual CAN/UK citizenship. I'm currently living in Zug, Switzerland (fantastically low taxes....incredibly ugly women!). I'm 5'9 and weigh 180 lbs, I'm blonde with blue eyes, I lift and play ice hockey so I'm in decent shape but I wouldn't class myself as muscular. I have a beta-male round face and a weak jaw line (picture the cartoon character Tin-Tin and that's pretty much me!). I'm an investor so I'm desk-bound Monday to Friday but I try to travel as much as I can on the weekends when I don't have my child. I tend to run a mild form of "high roller" game which has its pros and cons. I make a mid 6-figure salary, dress well (typically suit game), and have the typical "banker" trappings such as a flashy car and a Rolex.
Now, on to the good stuff. I spent a week in Bucharest in late October and had a great time there. I ended up with 3 bangs in 7 nights. Before going into the nitty gritty details of my trip, I want to share a few observations that you all might find useful.
1) Work does not pay well in Romania: So what, you may be asking, why does this matter? Unlike in the West where studying hard and going to University and landing a good job can lead to an upper class lifestyle (think doctor, lawyer, Wall Street banker) there aren't really a lot of opportunities for smart Romanians to make it big through work in Romania. Most of the jobs here are low-level IT jobs or back office banking jobs that have been outsourced from expensive Western countries to cheap places like Romania. Professionals like doctors and lawyers don't make much more than the average person, despite putting in a lot of effort to get those jobs. The people who are making big bucks in Romania tend to be corrupt businessmen and politicians, scammers, drug dealers & pimps (at the high end), and footballers. The end result of this is that working is looked down upon. If you have to work for a living you're viewed as either not smart enough to scam people for a living, or not good looking enough (if you're a woman) to be sponsored by a rich guy. As a result of this, the best and brightest Romanians leave the country as soon as they can to take up jobs in Western Europe.
2) Women know that their pussy has monetary value: Romania is the whore factory of Europe with many young girls going to work as pros in Western Europe. In the top brothels in Switzerland, these girls can make up to 20K a month lying on their backs getting ploughed by fat old bankers. When these girls return to Romania, with a couple 100K in savings, a nice apartment fully paid for and a new car, other girls start asking questions. "How does she have that lifestyle with no education and no job?" This reinforces point #1 above. The girls, even the non-pros, realize that they are better off using their pussy for money than studying hard and trying to get a good job. Why bother trying to become a doctor or lawyer when you can make big bucks lying on your back for a couple of years.
3) The women: are mostly brunettes with brown eyes. I would say that blonde guys will do well here as you will stand out. The girls have nice legs and tend to dress sexy but not slutty (not a lot of cleavage on display). I saw a lot of high heels during the day which I love. The downsides are that the women smoke like crazy and have bad teeth. One thing I notice comparing western girls to EE girls is that, due to having more money, western girls dress better, have better makeup, have their hair done, and can afford to fix their teeth. Unfortunately many of them are fat so this cancels out those positives. EE girls, on the contrary, tend to have great figures and pretty faces but lack that polished look you get with the high end girls back home.
4) The local guys: Generally people are quite short in Romania so, despite being under 6 foot, I felt slightly above average haha. The guys do not approach and generally rely on social circles to meet girls. I had no issues with the local guys and found them quite friendly to me. The average guy has brown/black hair and brown eyes and doesn't lift. generally I didn't see too many muscle men around town.
5) ONS culture and English: Although I managed to get a SNL in Bamboo club, I found it difficult to get a bang without at least getting to the second date. The local guys told me that generally there is no ONS culture here and that met my expectations from what other forum members have posted. English levels are good and almost everyone under 30 spoke some English. Many TV shows and movies are shown in English with Romanian subtitles so Romanians are exposed to the language from an early age.
6) Bucharest the city: Apparently it was voted to be the ugliest city in Europe back in 2011 and I can fully concur with that statement. The city used to be called the Paris of Eastern Europe and you can still see some of the remnants of that in the architecture. However, the city was bombed during WW2 (by both the allies and the Germans) and unfortunately was rebuilt in typical communist fashion with loads of ugly concrete tower blocks. There is no real tourism industry in Bucharest with Romania focusing its tourist efforts on Brasov and other prettier cities in Transylvania.
7) A few thoughts on "high roller" game: Before I head to a city I check the p4p rates of the high-end pros (the 9's and 10's) so I have a rough idea of what the going price of sex is. When I'm out in clubs running this kind of game I refuse to spend any more than what an hour of guaranteed sex with a 9 or 10 would cost me. I find with high roller game it's a game of cat and mouse. As a guy you want to spend as little as possible and bang, as a chick you want to extract as much cash as you can without giving up the bang. If I'm not able to convince a woman that I "might" be a good sponsor based on my appearance then I just cut my losses and move on. If a girl starts asking for pricy bottles or dinners, again I move on. A high end p4p girl in Bucharest is looking for about 500 RON (125 Swiss Francs) for an hour. I was spending around 200 RON (50 Francs) a night in the high end clubs on drinks for myself and the girl I banged from Bamboo Club.
Now, on to the actual action...
1) Online game: I pipelined using Tinder, Badoo, and Couchsurfing about a week before I arrived in Bucharest. I had minimal success on Tinder and Badoo but YMMV. Surprisingly, I had a lot of luck with Couchsurfing. I managed to get 2 dates off this site and one of my bangs was from here. The best part about Couchsurfing is not so much the girls but the events that are hosted. Local Romanian guys basically set up pub crawls through the Old Town every weekend and they use this avenue to try and pull tourist girls. I showed up to one of these events on a Thursday night and had a great time. Most of the guys who attend these events will be betas with no game so if you have any sort of game you should be able to work the group. I had a German exchange student basically offering it to me by night-end but she was at best a 6 so I declined. Also, quite a few local Romanian women attend these events too hoping to meet a foreign guy so I would make an effort to attend at least one of these events (typically run from Thursday night to Saturday night).
2) The Old Town: I think this place is highly overrated and a tourist trap full of scammers. It's still worth going to for a bit of fun and some of the bars are nice and it does guarantee crowds every night of the week. The problem with the Old Town is that (i) it's full of tourists so you won't meet good local girls there, (ii) it's crawling with ugly street walking prostitutes who pester you constantly, and (iii) the bars are full of scammers. I discovered this on my second night out. I went to a few bars/clubs two nights in a row and saw exactly the same girls in the same bars as I saw the previous night. They were local Romanian girls and very good looking and, of course, very friendly. After chatting to a few of them they told me that they work in these clubs attempting to get guys to buy them drinks. They get a cut from the bar from the money spent. As soon as you make it clear that you have zero intention of buying them drinks they move on to the next chump. I actually saw one poor black guy fall into this trap. There were these two stunning girls standing by the bar and I saw him buying them each a cocktail. As soon as he had finished handing over the cash to the barman the chicks were gone, chatting to two new guys. I gave him a quick look of condolence knowing that we've all been there at one point in our lives. Another thing to watch out for are the pimps. Each of these girls is working for a guy and he takes a cut from her cut. Generally the pimps sit in the bars but away from the girls, just close enough to keep an eye on them. They all dress the same so they are easy to spot (backward baseball hat, black leather jacket, hard man look on their faces). If you make a wrong move on one of these girls you might get some unwanted attention from the locals haha.
3) The high end clubs: There are 4 high end clubs in Bucharest. They are Bamboo, Fratelli, BOA, and Players Club. There used to be a club called the Bellagio but it has since closed down AFAIK. If you want to meet the local 8/9/10's you need to go to these places. Now, you need to understand how these clubs work. Basically they are not dance clubs as one would imagine in the West. These clubs have no real dance floors, they are just rooms full of tables for ordering bottle service. The purpose of these clubs is to allow Romania's "new money" to show off its wealth by sitting in VIP areas spending large sums of money on bottles. This is a bit of a conundrum. On the one hand these places have the best girls, but on the other hand they are hard to get access to. The girls basically sit in their mixed groups around a table snapping duck face poses into their iPhones to post on Instagram while the guys sit there and drink.
Basically you have three types of girls in these clubs. Type 1 are the high end girls who are "sponsored" by the wealthiest Romania guys. These are the best looking girls and they know it. They never leave the table area so it's hard to approach them.
Type 2 are what I call the "club bitches." These are girls who come to the clubs desperate to find a local sponsor to convert them into a Type 1 girl. These girls spend the bulk of their disposable income on trying to look good enough to find that rich local guy that they crave. These girls hang out at the bar or near the tables and are easy to approach. You can run "high-roller" game on these chicks and try to con them into thinking that you might be a potential sponsor. I actually got a bang from this in Bamboo Club. I rolled in wearing a suit and with my blonde hair it was obvious that I was a foreigner. I wear nice shoes (women always notice a guys shoes) and a Rolex so I fit the image of a "potential sponsor" so if you want to play this game you have to look the part.
Type 3 girls are the nice girls from well to do families who have money and are out for a good night to have fun with their friends. They tend to be students or have good jobs and are looking for well-educated family oriented guys for LTRs. These girls generally don't sit at the tables but hang out around the bar area. They are easy to approach and generally willing to talk to you. They dress less slutty than the Type 2's so you can distinguish between the two. These girls are great if you live in Bucharest and are looking for a LTR, but I found them unwilling to commit much time to a guy who was not from there. I met a beautiful lawyer at Player Club who spoke perfect English and we chatted the night away but then, like a flash, she just got up, kissed me, grabber her coat and left. Later her friend told me that she didn't want to get too carried away as she knew I would be leaving and she didn't just want to be another notch in my book.
4) Street Game: I spent the days wondering up and down the Boulevard Ion C. Bratianu which is the main street that runs through the city. There is a large shopping centre at the bottom of the street and the University at the top of it. It takes about 20 minutes to walk up and down. The main problem with street approaches here is that the women either walk with their heads in their phones, are talking on their phones, or listening to music from their phones. I would say that only 1 in every 5 girls you would want to approach is actually not on her phone. Anyway I found the women easy to approach and all very friendly. I didn't get any blowouts or bitchy attitudes. Having said that, I also didn't get any dates out of it so it was more for fun. My street game is not that great so some of you guys with better game might have more success. Funnily enough I only saw one other guy in my whole week there doing street approaches and when I went to speak to him it turned out he was a local Romanian guy who had been watching game tutorials online.
5) Café game: There is a Second Cup coffee shop right across from the University as you exit the University metro station. The street is called Regina Elisabeta. This place is a gold mine full of young students at almost any time of the day. I would head there with a book and just sit there for hours reading and drinking coffee and checking out the babes. The only issue here is you have to space out your approaches so that the girl you just spoke to doesn't see you speaking to every other girl. I managed to get a date out of this with an architect student but unfortunately it was at the end of the week so I didn't have time for a second date.