Quote: (04-26-2017 09:42 AM)MMX2010 Wrote:
Quote: (04-26-2017 08:48 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:
It doesn't bode well for libertarians that most of the small scale libertarian communes set up by Constitutionalist militiamen over the last twenty years degenerated quickly into dick measuring contests among Gamma narcissists.
Even similarly scaled communist communes have had a better track record.
It also doesn't bode well that if these libertarian communities in America were militarily attacked by a foreign power, then the United States would be morally obliged to defend these communities. Living under the military protection of a statist society means you've living in a statist society, no matter how many other libertarian principles your society embodies.
Well in fairness they weren't given an option to secede, but even with their limited responsibilities they still couldn't best their innate desires to control each other by one means or another.
And another thing. I really wish libertarians would stop citing the period of the American War Of Independence through to the Civil War or even World War 1 as some sort of golden age of industrial advancement on the back of libertarian principles.
The fact is that a whole new continent, relatively unpopulated, was opened up with little to no oversight and was plundered in an extraordinarily short time. "No oversight" shouts the Libertarian. But the fact is that where government was absent there was often the heavy hand of the cattle baron or the mining magnate or similar running entire districts out of their pockets with an iron fist, having bought what semblance of law existed to be bought and typically using hired muscle to squash what pitiful resistance was on offer.
Most pioneers wouldn't have had the faintest notion about the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, and the application of it would have been a laughable concept to anyone who wanted to talk shit about the local rail tycoon much less carry a gun in public in defiance of the bought-and-paid-for sheriff of the region.
But libertarians just looooooove to gloss over all the dirty details of that era and adopt the underpants gnome version of the story.
1) Near non-existent government.
2) ???
3) Profit!
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