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Mark Zuckerberg's sister has a boner for the manosphere
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Mark Zuckerberg's sister has a boner for the manosphere

Mark Zuckerberg's sister points and shrieks.
How to Be a Good Classicist Under a Bad Emperor


Studying Classics without cafreful leftist guidance leads to thinking that white men built western civilisation, which leads to being a Nazi or something. If you ever wondered about the influence of neomasculinity, her only targets are Breitbart and Milo, Quintus Curtius, and Roosh.

Shout out to QC, with a link to his site:
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In his book Thirty Seven, a manosphere writer who goes by the name Quintus Curtius imagines a dystopian world where feminists have rewritten the canon and erased the classics (143–4):
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One can even imagine a future where classical knowledge will be driven underground, purged from schools, or bowdlerized, as not being in tune with modern feminism and political correctness. The degradation of humanistic learning has come as a direct result of the feminization of American society. We cannot permit this to happen. The commissars of modern culture don’t want you to know too much about history, or about how things were like in previous eras.
Predictably, Quintus Curtius has an extremely limited understanding of “how things were like in previous eras.” His stated goal is “to remind readers of the glories of leadership, character, and masculine virtue that can change their lives” — so of course, his understanding of antiquity is of a world inhabited by only a few extremely elite men. He has no sense of or interest in social history, cultural history, women, slaves, children, and broad historical trends. The ancient world is reduced to a textbook model for leadership, character, and masculine virtue.
Yes! Women, slaves, and children do not have much to teach men about leadership, character, and masculine virtue. This is so tautological that it goes right over her head.

Note the model - Bruce Jenner is now Caitlin and anyone mentioning Bruce is filled with hate, but Roosh writes as Roosh so we must use his full name and put his chosen professional name in quotes.
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Our field is still, in many ways, in thrall to the Great Men model of history. And others may disagree, but still feel that Barack “Roosh V” Obama has a point when he writes of the moral vacuum that would exist without an understanding of historical precedent in his article “What is a Social Justice Warrior (SJW)?”:
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Even if Aristotle, Seneca, Marcus Aurelius, Thomas Aquinas, or Henry David Thoreau had valuable wisdom that continues to help how millions of people live today, the information derived from their work must be completely discarded since they were white men. Since white men were at the forefront of advancing humanity for the past several centuries, especially after the decline of the Egyptian, Persian, Mongol, and Ottoman empires, this precludes the bulk of moral guidance that we can use to determine right and wrong. SJW’s invent their own moral code but it is often based on what they are upset about in the present moment. It does not serve as a guide for more than a month or two, suggesting that their book of code would have to be written in pencil.
You yourself might be horrified by his sentiment — but have you ever argued that we should study Classics because those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it? Or because Greece and Rome are important to study because they are at the foundation of Western civilization and culture? Obama’s argument here is the most offensive, sarcastically stated version of arguments that are made all the time by those within the discipline in favor of studying the classics.

"Roosh is totally right, and scholars agreed entirely with what he says before academia was converged. But it's the current year so he must be purged".

There are links in this next bit, as you'd expect from an academic they go to a peer-reviewed journal. Oh, no, actually they all point to David Fatrelle's blog.
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Next time you hear either of those arguments made, remember: they are also made by a man who tells stories about raping women in his “Bang” series of “game guides,” who believes that “Women Must Have Their Behavior And Decisions Controlled By Men,” who recently rejoiced because the election of Donald Trump “automatically legitimizes masculine behaviors that were previously labeled sexist and misogynist” — a man who was rejected by the Alt-Right for being insufficiently white himself.

Here are her 8 ways to keep badthink out of classics
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I hope we can start a dialogue within the discipline to discuss the problems further.
  1. When you hear someone —be they a student, a colleague, or an amateur — say that they are interested in Classics because of “the Greek miracle” or because Classics is “the foundation of Western civilization and culture,” challenge that viewpoint respectfully but forcefully. Engage them on their assumed definitions of “foundation,” “Western,” “civilization,” and “culture.” Point out that such ideas are a slippery slope to white supremacy. Seek better reasons for studying Classics.
  2. In your scholarship, focus on the parts of antiquity that aren’t elite white men. Read and cite the work of scholars who write about race, gender, and class in the ancient world. Be open about the marginalization and bias that exists within our discipline.
  3. Model a kind of Classics that isn’t quite so congenial to the neo-Nazis of the Alt-Right.
    As the Alt-Right becomes more vocal and normalized, we may face pressure to frame our research and teaching in a way that will appeal to this new audience of Classics enthusiasts. Resist that pressure.
  4. Do not write content for these men. Sometimes they publish articles such as “Mate, Hate is Great! A Philosophical Defense of Misogyny”; if you are approached to contribute to such a blog, refuse and write about the incident instead.
  5. Consider coming out in support of progressive student and community movements. Classics has a long history of regressive politics, and if we are serious about social justice and activism, we must speak out.
  6. Write to professional Classics organizations, including the Society for Classical Studies, and encourage them to take a stand against these groups. Samuel Huskey has written and shared a lovely example of such a letter.
  7. If you are so inclined, engage with the classical reception that these men produce. There is a narrative blooming that you can see in that Breitbart Guide to the Alt-Right, where the writers claim, “Skinheads, by and large, are low-information, low-IQ thugs driven by the thrill of violence and tribal hatred. The alternative right are a much smarter group of people — which perhaps suggests why the Left hates them so much. They’re dangerously bright.” But the Alt-Right are not “dangerously bright.” They are young men — if you’ll excuse the pun, the kids are alt-right — whose inane readings of classical texts often provide a window into their intellectual shortcomings.
  8. I am considering creating a Tumblr to document examples of Alt-Right Classics. If you are interested in contributing, contact the Eidolon team ([email protected]).

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This comment points out the cognitive dissonance, but didn't get a response for some reason..
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Left academics have pushed identity politics for everyone except white men, and now you are panicking when the inevitable happens and white men jump on the identity politics bandwagon and go back and discover their own roots? The theory of cultural appropriation states that the Classics belong to white men and any other identity groups are engaging in gross cultural appropriation by trying to claim ownership over the works of the Great Men. So no Donna, you do not own the Classics and have no right to deny this to eager young white men full of curiosity about their roots.


As Steve Sailer points out:
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Of course, Dr. Donna Zuckerberg’s brother happens to be the most elite white man of his generation, as measured in gigabucks, and also perhaps the most powerful due to his being the chief owner and operator of the world’s most powerful communications platform, Facebook.
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"I'd hate myself if I had that kind of attitude, if I were that weak." - Arnold
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