[GlobalMan]

(07-19-2016 07:19 AM)seniol Wrote:  

GlobalMan, I'm not sure what is your agenda

Say what you want to say, thats fine, but cut out this horse shit.

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you insist so very much with a personal opinion of yourself,
a personal opinion that you hold

What a fatuous, empty (and repetitive) remark. Who's opinion am I supposed to hold if not mine? Is your opinion not yours? What's your point?

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which goes pretty much against every expert's advices

That's flatly wrong, something you just made up.

You still haven't refuted the points I made from two posts ago, you've just said "yeah but what if they are lying" "yeah but 14 countries"

Explain why these statements are incorrect:

-The USA has favorable data retention laws for VPN's, no requirement to log data, unlike many other first world countries.

-The USA has consumer protection laws that help ensure a company can't make claims that aren't true, which come into play when you pay for a service.

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including you are going also against Roosh's advices

If you read and understood the article you keep repeating, you'd know that OpenVPN is recommended (as the "safest" in fact) and OpenVPN is what PIA uses. So there is in fact no disagreement there, you simply don't understand what I've said or what you're talking about.

Even if there was conflicting opinions, Roosh is just a guy with his own views, who came to a conclusion based on what he's looking for, like you or I- he's not the final or complete word on internet security, and to continue attempting to use the mans name as some kind of trump card is childish. I think he'd tell you that.

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Roosh wrote here in big, bolded letters:

"Use A VPN That Is Outside Of The 14 Eyes Countries"

Bolded you say? Well then. Who can argue with that?

Again, this adds no weight to any argument you're trying to make. Refute what I've said with reasons. Repeating this article title is not a response.

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Also:

If you live in any of the fourteen countries listed above, that means there is infrastructure and organization in place to directly track your web traffic.

http://www.rooshv.com/why-you-should-use...b-browsing

Primary answer-

-You are still not understanding. Using a VPN that is U.S. based company does not mean you must use servers based in the U.S. If the service is based on the OpenVPN platform, like most of the quality ones, you can choose from servers around the world, including outside your dreaded 14 countries.

Secondary answers-

-There is infrastructure to track nearly all traffic everywhere.

-The reason most people need/want/use a VPN is not in order to have zero traffic captured by the highest level automated collection, which is largely out of ones control.

(07-20-2016 12:24 PM)seniol Wrote:  

Well almost every single post of GlobalMan in this thread is advertising
paid VPNs (especially PIA) from inside US

I'm concerned about your mental health and grasp of reality now.

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going against the advices of all experts
on this matter.

Again, no. You still do not understand what has been said.

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Also GlobalMan claims that he knows for a fact that PIA doesn't log
traffic or session data, which is impossible for an US VPN,
according to the laws and the PA I and PA II.

Bolded is just plain wrong, not much more to say. It's incorrect, completely.

"They might be lying" is not an argument, it's the second time you've said this and I've already explained why this assertion is silly, and you haven't refuted that response with a valid argument yet, you've just repeated this baseless assertion.

PIA, and other U.S. based VPN's who say they don't keep logs, don't keep logs. How do we know? Because they've been asked to provide them thousands of times and never have provided them.

The law does not require it, and the VPN aren't committing massive fraud undiscovered for years. If you're going to make this claim then provide the evidence. There are no instances of the VPN I use providing logs to law enforcement, as there are no logs to give. Over many many years.

Saying "how do you know for sure" isn't an argument. You look at the facts, track record and likelyhood and you can draw a a fairly sure conclusion.

The irony of your attempted argument is that you're seeking out a free browser based solution which only conceals your browser traffic and gives the user zero promises or guarantees as it is free and they are not obligated to provide what they say and can change at any time- yet you find that scenario more trust worthy than a running a VPN that conceals all of your traffic (not just browser) and is paid for- which gives some extra assurance that you are getting what is promised through fraud and consumer protection laws.

But the free browser based VPN located in Romania or the Czech Republic is the ultimate in assured protection? The whole thing is ludicrous on its face.

The implied argument that free leads to more reliable and trustworthy service, and paid service means you're surely getting scammed, has no basis in reality.

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How is it better than Tor Browser which is free and
redirects your traffic through 3-5 different countries ?

Because 3-5 countries isn't necessary when using a VPN, and because Tor is no more unmolested by governments than what you imagine happening in your dreaded 14 countries. Law enforcement is constantly trying to probe Tor. The FBI has been successful numerous time at identifying users. Tor is good for some purposes, but it is not necessarily superior, it's just a different method of trying to achieve privacy with its own drawbacks.

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This irony of all of this is I don't care what you use at all, I was stating some facts and reasoning for choosing a quality paid VPN over a browser based , free solution. You then gave baseless, rote and repetitive replies that neither refuted what I said nor added new value. I'm not even suggesting my preference or choice is the only way, but I will respond when someone states things which are false.

-Inb4 "the 14 countries you bastard shill!"