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(06-14-2016 01:54 PM)TheOllam Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 01:08 PM)Mr. D Wrote:  

Nice to compare voices of Islam, but it's very clear that homosexuals are not acceptable to true believers.

In the west, we socially evolved past religious wars, and in the US we see a birth of a nation with the "enlightenment" ideals. See, we as a society can accept homosexuals even if we disapprove the lifestyle. That's Freedom, and there is no room for it in the Muslim faith apparently.

California, the most liberal state in the union, only sanctioned gay marriage in 2008, and barely so (52% for). Gays were barely tolerated in the military up to 2010, before that you could be fired for being openly gay.



The muslim world is well behind. In term of social and cultural conservatism, countries like Turkey or Lebanon are similar to 1950s America or W. Europe. More backwards places like Saudi or Pakistan are more like 1900 Europe.

It's all good for now, but at the rate things are going, I'd rather live in a place like Turkey that is stuck in the 1950s than in what the US is going to become in 10-20 years. To that extent, their religion has been helping them preserve their basic social norms.

Countries like Russia seem to strike the right balance on this subject, they're pulling the reins back towards the 1950s. Gays aren't really persecuted there (despite what you hear in western propaganda), but they aren't held up as some kind of ideal lifestyle to be elevated above normal behavior and taught to children either.