[Valentine]

With the high energy of the main Trump thread, as well as other threads covering memes and gifs and short rebuttals it would also be useful to have a dedicated thread for winning long political debates, converting groups and moderate libs.

Dump whatever powerful arguments you've found across the forum/off site in here, but ideally edit the points to make them as concise as possible and add citations for credibility.

I'll start with a few cross posts:

(03-10-2016 03:40 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

1. Selling Trump / Defending Trump from attacks

1.1. General Trump brochure

Trump is the only candidate who is against USA's retarded wars, regime changes and color revolutions.

Trump: "The world would be a better place with Gadaffi and Saddam Hussein still in power"
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/25/politi...m-hussein/
Trump: "I would have a great cooperation with Putin, whom the USA has turned into a world leader through its abysmal leadership"
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/artic...29295.html
Trump: "I would fire the Bush administration for invading Iraq"
http://www.rense.com/general54/bushs.htm
Trump: "Saudi Arabia only exists because of USA and there is no reason why it should get so much from us"
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articl...f-the-u-s-
Trump: "Assad might be bad, but USA must stop 'nation-building' and must destroy ISIS, which is the consequence of our destabilizations of Syria and Iraq"
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/...n-building

He also features the following important details:

- opposition to illegal immigration, including fake "Syrian" "refugees"
- opposition to corporate free trade bills and other lobbying, including GMO
- opposition to war on drugs, wants to let states decide whether to legalize or not
- scepticism about the Federal Reserve; big banks are spending millions to defeat him - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cc1T_PvUMAAEAVz.jpg

1.2. Countering appeals to Christianity and the Pope

If Trump is "not Christian" for building walls, then Pope Francis is also not a Christian, since he lives behind the giant Vatican wall himself:
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/vatican-w...020107.jpg
Furthermore, even GOD HIMSELF is not a Christian, since his heavenly city has walls:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=KJV
"11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:"

1.3. Countering "gish gallop" tactics

See, posts like this are EXACTLY why Trump is so popular. His opponents have nothing to offer except some buzzwords.

1.4. Countering "Trump is racist / KKK"

Trump has been endorsed by Charles Evers, Mississippi’s First Black Mayor and NAACP Field Secretary whose brother was assassinated by KKK.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/04/why-is...president/

1.5. Countering appeals to Obama

I was a huge fan of Obama when he was first elected, but sadly I have to admit Trump is right. Here are some of Obama's legacies:

- ISIS takeover of Libya
- ISIS takeover of Syria
- Rewarding megabanks for causing the financial crisis
- Supporting mass surveillance of innocent citizens
- Encouraging massive illegal immigration into USA (which disproportionately affects African Americans who get squeezed out of basic jobs and welfare and get massacred by Latino drug gangs)
- Stoking racial hatred and division in USA
- Forcing degeneracy and immorality onto States, removing their rights

Back in 2008, Obama was against pointless wars, against spying, against the banks, against illegal immigration and against gay marriage. He has trampled every single one of those promises. And that part - the shameless lying - is the worst of all.

1.6. Countering "Trump is a Republican" / "Trump is a Democrat" / "Trump only benefits X"

Donald Trump has sparked a powerful movement that includes people of all races, religions and political bents, and this is no time for petty squabbles. Both Republicans and Democrats will benefit from Making America Great Again.

The fact that both left-wing and right-wing media and establishment figures are united against Trump clearly shows that the left-right is only a circus made to divert the people's attention from things that actually matter.



Get on the Trump train or get out of the way.

1.7. Countering Godwin's law (appeals to Hitler)


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736...e9b1bf.jpg

(or 1.3.)

1.8. Countering appeals to money / claims that Trump represents the influence of big money in politics

Donald Trump has spent the least per vote out of all candidates. His competitors outspend him on ads by a ratio of 100:1 and have spent half a billion dollars to fight him now. He has no super-PACs and runs the most cost-effective campaign in history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican...gn_finance





1.9. Countering "Trump is only in it for money and fame"

Unlike other candidates, Donald Trump has been a positive actor in the USA's vibrant culture and economy for decades, and has a rich history of kindness and helping others:

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/11/461306-t...y-persona/
(archive link in case it goes missing: http://archive.is/CseBi )



1.10. Countering "Trump appeals only to the uneducated

Trump is popular with people of all income and education levels because everyone can benefit from Making America Great Again. However, polls show that Trump is the most popular candidate exactly among the most educated:
http://s8.postimg.org/4x1cciadh/1454980619579.png



2. Destroying the competition

1. Ted Cruz

Ted Cruz is controlled opposition.

1) His "conservative" platform is fake. He didn't adopt any anti-war or anti-immigration stances until they had first been popularized by Trump (and partly Rand Paul).

2) The genuine parts of his "conservative" platform are the most useless ones: sucking up to evangelicals and Israel. Despite all his conservatism, he's never done anything serious against gay marriage, abortion and feminism. All talk, no action.

3) He is a pawn of the establishment who will bend to their wishes very easily. If he's really some uncontrollable fanatic, then why does he have a $50 million super-PAC? What idiot politician or banker would donate to someone who was really against them? Which brings us to...

4) He is directly funded by loans from Goldman Sachs and his wife works at Goldman Sachs herself. For all the shit we say about Marcobot or !Yeb, at least they don't have such direct ties to the worst and most destructive part of USA.

5) He's an uncharismatic person who relies on media support, snark and rehearsed speeches, similar to Obama. Put him under the same pressure as Trump is subjected to every day and he'll crumble.

6) His campaign is based on outright lies and fraud - not something "distasteful" or "questionable", but outright fraud like telling Ben Carson's voters that Carson dropped out, or making shameless claims about Trump that are 100% the opposite of reality

7) For all his mythical American patriotism, he has been a citizen of Canada until 2014, the very last moment when dropping that became profitable.

8) Despite all his the "loathing" he supposedly inspires, he is heavily supported by the media and establishment figures. When have you seen Megyn Kelly give him a tough question? Is he compared to Hitler every day, despite espousing many of the same views as Trump?

Cruz is no better than Rubio or !Yeb. Trump or bust.

(03-24-2016 07:16 PM)Valentine Wrote:  

To my American brothers: I invite you to vote Trump in the GE and encourage everyone you can about it.

Realistically the general will be Trump vs Hillary, so let's look at reasons
Why you should vote for Trump:

+ *You'll take home more money*
1) He's a proven job creator.

2) His policies on immigration ensure that US citizens will be favoured instead of Big Biz constantly importing cheap foreign labour. [see more on his immigration policies below]

3) His policies on tax reform means individuals will pay less tax http://bit.ly/1LXw4cM whilst taxes increase on foreign goods to make up for the deficit (and more)

+ *Because the Establishment hate Trump*
1) They can't control him because he self-funds his Presidential campaign. Every other candidate takes "donations" from people who agree favours beforehand or later cash in favours from them. Unlike every other President who was merely a puppet, he would govern on his own terms.

2) He wants to open up the media to libel lawsuits. Right now if the media writes bullshit about you, you can't successfully sue them. He wants to take away their power, which they don't want.

3) He's pro-Second Amendment. Other politicians want to disarm you so that they can create totalitarian government with no consequence.

4) He wants Israel to repay financial aid. The US has spent over $100 BILLION in military aid to Israel, which only occurs because of the power that Jews have over the US (see http://thezog.info/list-summaries). They control every facet of the US, thus to stop Trump they've created a huge media smear campaign.

+ *He wants to audit the Federal Reserve*
This should be reason enough to vote for him.

This is a fantastic summary of the central banking Ponzi scheme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrwbgdtbdXE

Summary: The Fed is a *privately-owned* central bank which the US Gov borrows money *at interest*. This means it's system of perpetual debt (and the US now has 5000x more debt than before the Fed was brought into existence). Here's a video illustration of how this system works https://youtu.be/iP9H5fADC0E

More overviews in these videos https://youtu.be/HRduwYgrU7A https://youtu.be/iFDe5kUUyT0 https://youtu.be/5IJeemTQ7Vk

+ *Wants to repeal the scam which is ObamaCare*
http://bit.ly/1RkgQoO TL;DR: Young healthy men are paying the bills for women and the elderly who cost more than they contribute

+ *Wants immigration reform*
1) Against *illegal* immigration
It's illegal but isn't enforced. So he proposes a few measures:

- Nationwide e-verify - to ensure every worker is legally eligible for work
- Increased budget for ICE agency responsible for immigration
- Deportation of all illegal immigrants *who have committed additional crimes*
- Building a wall in the South paid for by Mexico (where much of the illegal immigration occurs)

2) Helping US citizens first
- Wants to create laws which make sure that companies hire domestic citizens as a priority over foreign workers
- Refugee program for American children first - e.g. orphans who live in unsafe areas and improving high crime neighbourhoods
- Ending welfare abuse - ensuring immigrants can pay for their own housing, healthcare etc before coming to the US

3) He's against Muslim immigration *temporarily*
Polls have indicated that 25% of Muslims in the US believed violence against America was justified. There are regular terrorist attacks and people becoming radicalised.

You can pick only one of two solutions to further prevent terrorism:
Increase domestic surveillance (above it's already draconian levels) on *everyone*
OR
Temporarily stop immigration for *only the group* that is primarily responsible for the terrorism.

The crude but apt metaphor applies:
If I had a bowl that was filled with 10,000 M&M’s, but I told you that 10 of them were deadly poison, would you eat a handful?

And more reasons why you shouldn't vote for Hillary:
- *She's a career criminal*
She constantly abuses her power to enrich the Clinton Foundation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kypl1MYuKDY

- *The 'emailgate' scandal*
She used her own private mail server to hide many, many abuses of power.

For example:
- To hide her deals with foreign governments who then donate to the Clinton Foundation http://bit.ly/21Gi2Ew
- Sharing Top Secret information with unauthorised people, now she's even on the NSA's bad side http://bit.ly/1LwRrI1

TL;DR: Vote Trump. Get everyone you know to do it too. It's insane to do otherwise.