Quote: (03-23-2016 04:21 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:
Women, like everyone, respond to incentives. Most women today have no incentive to maintain a marriage and are actually incentivized to destroy marriages. In fairness, woman providers today with dependent husbands are getting screwed as well but I will just focus on traditional relationships for now. That said, the west doesn't respect sole/male traditional providers anymore and harshly punishes those that attempt to go down that route.
Therefore you must go to an environment where women are both culturally and legally/financially incentivized to maintain a marriage; where the very concept of ending it would mean cultural/social excommunication and financial devastation OR you attempt to change your current environment to restore some of men's lost leverage.
In the west, women are encouraged to blow up marriages the first moment they don't get their way and they have the legal system on their side to ensure they receive unfair amounts of financially compensation for blowing things up. What real leverage do you have as a man who is a sole-provider to keep a woman in check?
Of course, you can use game and that MIGHT do the job alone but you will often be fighting against overwhelming forces of cultural and financial incentives that are simply too irresistible to an emotionally based individual (i.e. women). The reason previous generations made things work was because the incentives between genders were more balanced. Today, everything is tilted in a woman's favor:
Hiring preferences, college admissions, promotions, government benefits, cultural sympathy, legal system (false accusations, child custody, child support, alimony, etc). The game is essentially rigged against men in every contest vs a woman.
If you are a man who wants to be a sole-provider:
-You get less preference in jobs
-You get less preference in college admissions
-You pretty much don't exist to social services for gov't benefits
-You are guilty before innocent in any kind of criminal accusation
-If you get divorced, you get to pay alimony sometimes for life despite the circumstances (she cheated, she didn't take care of kids, etc)
-If you get divorce, you have to pay child support that is often grossly way more than any child needs
And the final cherries on top is that militant feminism is rampant throughout society and Eat, Prey, Fuck culture is encouraged.
As a man, what leverage do you really have in today's environment? You pretty much have to find a pure altruistic unicorn to counter-balance all the aforementioned; the rare good-girl (and even then, she can be corrupted at anytime very easily if she so much slips up a bit). The entire system is designed right now to indulge women's impulsiveness and short-sighted feelings and emotions while also neutering men's abilities to counter any of their bullshit.
The result is that men have become so neutered that they almost talk and act like women today; it's sad, pathetic, and essentially marks the beginning of a genocide on an entire gender. That might sound ridiculous but women (as lesbian couples and singles) can just go to a sperm bank today and get a baby minus the man. It is perfectly legal and culturally acceptable today to have a child from the get go with no man involved. It's insane. It also means as a man, you are living on borrowed time.
That's not to say women in a non-west environment are perfect, it's just as a man you have a fair and reasonable amount of leverage to counter any bad behavior and keep a woman in-line; something critical given the emotional based logic that the majority of women utilized.
However in the west, there are only a few ways to counter shit behavior (as the OP is realizing):
1. Don't get married. Ever. Not until the legal system is changed at least.
2. LTR only very high-quality women who have Mother of Your Children qualities; dump as soon as they fail that test.
3. Refuse to have kids in the west until if/when child support laws change; be very careful to not knock up a random woman. Treat your jizz like its the keys to your bank account for the next two decades (because it is).
4. Spread the red pill gospel; drop red pill tidbits on to people experiencing blue pill crisis of conscience (victims of: divorce rape, false accusations, cheated on, child support rape, etc)
5. Vote for Trump; who is likely the west's last hope of turning the tide and reforming the environment to something reasonable and fair for men.
The alternative is to leave the west and hope wherever you go doesn't become like where you escaped from.
Personally, I wouldn't voluntarily have a family/marriage in the US right now. I would go as far to say that it is psychologically and financially grossly negligent and dangerous as a sole-providing man in 2015 to have kids and/or get married in the west. If Trump gets elected and the cultural and legal worlds change to resemble something more fair for men, that could change the equation significantly. We shall see though; I'm hoping for the best and planning for the worst.
Good post.
To be honest, I think even non-Western women will cheat if the right circumstances present themselves. It happens less because those women are often financially dependent on their husbands and community ostracism is much stronger.
Unfortunately, I've seen a lot of conservative immigrant families (Arabs, Mid Easterners, Indians) with promiscuous daughters. So if you want a woman who behaves differently, you have to marry from outside the US and probably choose a rural area. Even then, a lot of those women are manipulative and cunning.
I think human society is quickly transitioning away from emphasizing stable beta provider traits (money, family reputation, community standing) and towards emphasizing alpha traits (good looks, charisma, being entertaining). The West is already there and the non-Western countries are quickly moving in that direction (especially women under age 30). I think the pervasive influence of movies, the internet, and social media is having a huge influence even in conservative regions of the world.