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DATASHEET: Utrecht - underrated student city in Netherlands and trip report.
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DATASHEET: Utrecht - underrated student city in Netherlands and trip report.

Introduction and reasons to visit:

Utrecht is a student city in Netherlands. It takes 40 minutes by train to get there from Amsterdam Schiphol. It has much less foreigners than Amsterdam and ratio of girls to guys is much more favourable. It has a population of around 300000 and Utrecht University alone houses more than 30000 students. Judging by my Netherlands experience the only other city to compete would be Groningen, also a student city.

Here is some information of demographics from Wikipedia:

Utrecht has a young population, with many inhabitants in the age category from 20 and 30 years, due to the presence of a large university. About 52% of the population is female, 48% is male. The majority of households (52.5%) in Utrecht are single person households.
That sounds good right?

I personally came to Netherlands for some work in Rotterdam and decided to stay for 4 extra days and visit Utrecht.

Logistics, accommodation and transportation:

Rent in Utrecht is expensive. I was renting an apartment via AirBnb for 75 euros a day. You can find a cheaper place, but even hostels start at 20 euros. I was trying to find a place as close to Old city center as possible. You can rent a bike from most of the hosts on AirBNB for around 5€ per day, sometimes it is even included in price of rent. Get the bike and be like everyone else.
Holland is a relatively small country. Advanced train system makes it seem even smaller.

Language:

Dutch people are best non native English speakers that I have ever encountered. Everyone speaks English and our target auditory speaks it very well.

Online game:

Online game in Holland is very quiet. Although I am quite good looking and have nice pictures I did not get good results. I normally use Tinder and Badoo. I was maxing out my matches on free Tinder and only getting 1 mach every few days. Out of 2 matches only one would lead to a chat.
Badoo is at the death's door. I tried it for a week here in Holland and got 2 matches, out of which both were fake account, with links to other sites.

Day game:

Daygame was not easy. It is cold in February. You rarely encounter a good looking girl walking alone. The big problem is that everyone is cycling. And Dutch girls are really fast on bikes. So unless you are willing to risk you're life don't try to stop them.

Generally area around old city center, around exit from train station and shopping mall inside the train station "Hoog Catharijne" are most crowded and best suited places for day game.

Night game and venues:

From Wednesday to Saturday Utrecht has a busy nightlife. Normally people pre drink in small bars/cafes around the city, then move to dance clubs around 1 am.

Good pre drinking area is Neude square. There is a line of bars located next to each other. Delphin, cafe t neutje, desperados, cafe le journal, tapperij de luifel, de beurs. My favourite was De Beurs because you can run some game there due to its layout. Here is a photo of this place

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Also located on the other side of Neude square is Chupitos shot bar. It opens around 23.00 and is extremely busy every night. They make some nice and not expensive shots and make a great show serving them. So get ready for some Rammstein style fires how (extreme exaggeration).

Good dance clubs area is located about 300 meters away from Neude, with 4 danceclubs situated around Janskerk.
Club names: Filemon, Parkhuis, Hoofman, Woolomolo.

All days except Saturday the entrance to these places is free and you only have to pay wardrobe fee. But after you leave your jacket feel free to roam around all clubs in just your t-shirt as clubs are closely situated.

My favourite was Filemon. Slightly larger than others with more conventional club music and older public 20-25. Its normally crowded but you can still move.

Parkhuis is a place for 18-20 year old crowd. With a lot of Dutch music playing. Way too crowded for comfort.

Cafe Hoofman is less techno and more 70s, 80s, 90s and some Latin music. Cool place with a nice crowd and stand-up comedy show on Wednesday. I must say watching stand-up in language you don't understand is an interesting experience. Still funny though.

I did not visit Woolomolo.

Around 5 in the morning the crowd moves to Night diners for some Shawarma and kebab. Do follow them as its a nice way to socialise and game.

Then there is a huge dance club Tivoli busy Thursdays-Saturdays. It has impressively huge dance area with amazing sound system. But going there to meet women is useless as 80% of them are in drugs holding bottles of water and doing funny movements with their mouths.

Other hard Techno clubs are Poema and Basis. But I did not visit them after I've learned how widespread use of ecstasy is at techno places.

I've heart some good things about Puma club and student parties on Tuesdays. But had no chance to attend as I arrived on Wednesday.

Night life is quite scattered and spread so I might have missed out on some nice places. So if there are locals on forum do comment!

Social circle game:

By far the best game to run in the Netherlands. But I had no time to for it. It takes months to develop a social circle and I was there for only 4 days.
I have previously attended a party thrown by "Rotterdam" (cool German guy from forum) in Rotterdam and it looks like he is doing very well with that type of game.

Salsa game

Everywhere I travel I attend salsa parties. I am an intermediate dancer, but salsa parties is a great way to meet quality women.
Normally ratio on salsa parties is good, but I've learned that in the Netherlands salsa parties are sausage fests. Nevertheless, I had 3 dances with prettiest girls, and gamed them after that, they were all really nice and of course all had boyfriends. Taught one newbie basic steps and got her number.

Positive things:

Beautiful women. I would say dutch girls beat the whole western Europe in the looks department. I especially appreciate the Frisian beauty. Kind of like Doutzen Kroes, she is Frisian. This subject has already been discussed before somewhere on this forum.

Dutch girls have curves. You can often see some asses, tits and nice long legs.

Good English skills.

Never an openly negative reaction. If you get rejected it is always in a polite manner.

It is a safe area with a lot of things to see when you don't feel like gaming, or need some rest.

Good chance to meet foreign students (I've met some gorgeous Spanish HB 8.5 in Hoofman and a 7 Mexican. Of course both had boyfriends...)

Negative things:

Being a foreigner is a DLV. Dutch girls seem to like dutch guys and meet them mostly through social circle.

Approaching in clubs and street game is not as efficient as in other places I've visited.

99% of HB7 and higher had boyfriends. And not just as a poor excuse. Sometimes guys were standing right next to them.

Feminism is deeply embedded in Dutch women.
Girls often behave like men and lack femininity. They walk in huge steps and don't move their hips.
I've even seen open statements on Tinder, saying I am feminist. As if it is a good thing. And these girls had bitchy behavior.

You often see good looking, fit, groomed Dutch guys with below average looking girls.

Expensive

Meetup:

Would like to say thanks again to "Fury" and "Stimulus" for a great meetup on Saturday.

Trip report:

I will not go in detail about all my activities. Will just provide short list of my adventures these 4 days. And why despite the fact that I did not get laid, I still think this trip was a success.

I have approached all top 3 good looking girls in every venue that I've visited. Normally that was difficult for me, but these time I had no chance. I just did not dig others.

Befriended a group of Italian law students on the street, who were visiting for 1 day, and had dinner with them in 5 minutes after meeting them. There were 6 or 7 girls and 2 guys. Was cool, as I literally have never met Italian women before.

I've watched stand up comedy in Dutch. Trust me that is something you have to try. Just to experience how deeply embedded is the herd mentality. When everyone is laughing you start laughing as well.

Met Spanish and Mexican girls and practiced my Spanish. I've been learning it hard last few months with Duolingo and watching Argentinian soap operas with English subtitles, and it was actually the first time I was able to speak, and to my surprise, I could actually convey my thoughts.

After watching RDS Tyler (Owen) videos got inspired and tried to make 2 girl kiss on a party. Girls were roommates, and after some struggle they first kissed for 1 second, and then went into a long make out session. Honestly it was cool but I did not know what to do next, as I was not a part of it, and felt out of place.

Went to a couch surfing monthly meeting in a bar 300 meters away from my place. Turned out the meeting was exactly one week ago. I ended up being part of some student meet up. Played drinking games, had great time, practiced my Spanish again with a chubby Spanish student girl. Gamed cute Australian chick, which apparently had a boyfriend. Made a cool dutch friend, slightly red pill, who brought me to Tivoli and was not a bad wing man. Tickets to a big party with some good DJ were sold out but we ended up getting in for free because bouncer thought that he new my new friend [Image: biggrin.gif]

Kissed my first ever Eritrean girl, after cold reading approach that she was Ethiopian. Almost brought her home but LMR went in on the exit from the club.

Lost my voice on the last day after 4 nights of talking in loud environments and drinking cold beer in February


My overview of a trip to Utrecht and my verdict:

Please note that my judgement might not be adequate as my previous destination was Ukraine.
I must say game in Western Europe is hard. Its nothing new. But if you do choose to come here Netherlands might be a better option. Don't go to Amsterdam/Rotterdam sausage fests. Go to either Utrecht or Groningen or other smaller more Dutch populated student cities.
I've worked hard with over 50 day/night approaches in 4 days and pipe lining Tinder few weeks in advance and all I've got in return was 10 numbers, 0 dates, 3 kiss closes, one missed opportunity of ONS (my fault) and one LMR at the club exit.
I've invested more effort than ever before and gotten the worst result from it so far.
I think "Fury" and "Stimulus" can attest to my efforts.
The girls I like HB7 and above literally all had boyfriends and were not receptive at all. And I was not interested in girls that liked me. I have been opened quite a few times by 5s.
Never go to western Europe from Ukraine the transition is just too harsh. I went from being opened by 7s in Kiev saying I look like a prince. To approaching 7s myself with no results.
I am sure if I would stay just 3 more days longer I would get some lays, as I still have some good leads, but I've already had tickets booked.
Home for 1 weeks and then Thailand and Philippines are waiting for me.

Some photos of beautiful Utrecht.

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