Quote: (07-26-2015 12:47 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:
Rio,
I so wish you were right man, but unfortunately, it doesn't work that way in the real world.
In order to see how much of free speech there is out there, try ANY of the following:
- Go and open a brick and mortar business in the US/Canada/UK and rest of the Anglosphere and clearly state that you would not serve gays/jews/muslims/mormons/blacks/whites/latinos/asians etc... and see how long your business would last. At best, you'd get a hefty fine. The most likely scenario is that you'd get a hefty fine and be sent to a sensitivity training session with the threat of closing your business, seizing all your assets, freezing your bank account(s) and being sent to jail in the slightest reoccurrence of you deviating from the narrative as "advised" to you during those above mentioned training sessions.
In the US we have anti-discrimination laws. Refusing to serve people based on their race/religions/etc. has nothing to do with freedom of speech. The owner of a restaurant could say he hates Muslims and there would be no criminal repercussions, which is what freedom of speech is about. If his business refuses to serve Muslims then that has nothing to do with freedom of speech, and there may be repercussions because of that. We will see with the gunshop owner in Florida who did just that.
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- Or if you're in a corporate gig, just mention as a matter of factly that marriage should be between an adult man and woman and see how long you'd last. I'm not even mentioning to say anything more "spicy and daring" such as that you are opposed to gay marriage, you don't want to do anything with gays, let alone that you're sick and tired of all this faggotry and degeneracy being celebrated and being shoved down your throat at every turn and see how long you'd last.
Again, businesses who fire employees because they say something the business does not like has nothing to do with freedom of speech. Businessed have rights just as individuals do. They are free to fire employees, and employees are free to say what the wish without CRIMINAL repercussions, but that doesn't mean they are safe from being fired.
Do you really think the manager of a local restaurant should be able to go on YouTube/Facebook/local newspaper and say it is his opinion that his restaurant has food that tastes like dogshit and the people who patronize the restaurant are dumb motherfuckers with whores for wives, and NOT be fired? That is your definition of freedom of speech, correct?
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- If you're in academia, try challenging the fallacy of the 4/5 girls getting raped while in college or some similarly idiotic stat and see how long before not only you're expelled from the university's kangaroo "court" but also your prospects of employment completely destroyed as a result of it...
Can you link to any cases where someone has been expelled form a public university/college for simply challenging the 4/5 myth, or something similar?
As far as your employment prospects being destroyed, again, business have their own rights. They do not have to hire you if they don't like what you say. This has nothing to do with the 1st amendment.
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Not to mention how Trump is being shut down in the medias while being ridiculed and not even allowed to take part in debates for the simple reason that he is going against the narratives of those in power.
Yet again, not a 1st amendment issue. The media are private businesses. They can do what they'd like.
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How many tv commentators have been fired for saying something slightly "out of the narrative"? Too many to count and it's only increasing at an alarming rate sadly.
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What does all of that tell you?
That you do not understand the 1st amendment at all.
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That you do have "freedom of speech" as long as you keep within the guidelines and confines of what those in power deem acceptable for you and me to say, believe and do. Say, believe and do anything outside of the limits of "narrative" as outlined for you by the people in power and you're in deep shit!
Now, is that freedom of speech? It clearly cannot be. If yes, then please be my guest and go ahead and enlighten me as to what your definition of freedom of speech is.
Yes, it is freedom of speech. And people have the freedom to not patronize, or to patronize, your business if they wish, just like many people did with Chik Fil A.
Businesses have the freedom to hire and fire who they wish. Employees have the freedom to say what they want without CRIMINAL repercussions from the government.
Citizens/Employees DO NOT have carte blanche to say whatever they'd like without social and career repercussions.
You seem to think freedom of speech means having a totalitarian government to dictate who a business can hire and fire, which companies society must patronize, even if they disagree with the opinions of employees/owners of that company, and for society to not ostracize people for their opinions and beliefs if they so wish.
So if that is what freedom of speech is supposed to be to you, then that would mean we no longer have freedom at all.