[Dalaran1991]

Guys, help me review my default date game and see why it isn’t working anymore.

I think either Im about to hit that major breakthrough Gio mentioned, or my head is gonna fucking explode.

TL;DR version: flakes goes way down, quality goes way up but close rate plummet like the Euro. Dates usually go very well and dont feel like a battle. Girls attractive and attracted. Kino and escalation go well but cant kiss close (only 3/12) nor fuck close (1/12)

The good side: I’ve been going on dates almost every week now, and with girls I am really attracted to. Quality has shot through the roof, they are all very pretty, feminine and pleasant to spend time with. My approaches are getting better, first impression generally solid and number close is a no brainer. Flake rate for the last 3 months 1/12 girls.

The bad side: My default date game isn’t leading to closing anymore. I only fuck close 1 out of 12 girls I went out with. Even kiss close is no longer a given. Usually when I spit my best game I would get at least a kiss. These last 3 dates I took the girls to my locked down venue, spit my best game, has a blast but the girl just doesn’t kiss.

Last night date for ex:

Girl showed up exactly on time, dolled up with yoga pants. French-Indian girl. Imagine your typical cute white brunette with long flowing hair but with big Indian eyes and a fuckawesome ass.

Mechanics: At the salsa venue where we needed to pay the entrance fee she says “Im paying for myself” I wasn’t sure if it was a question or if she was insisting, so I just laugh and use my typical line “sure, Im not an ATM anyway” She was paying by credit card. In hindsight I could have paid the fees, but its no big deal, like 10euros.

I usually let the girl pay for herself unless she doesnt have money/is pleasant and earned a treat/I fucked up the logistics somehow

Took her hand and led her through the crowd, she followed willingly. Good sign. Hi-five the DJs, introduced her to some people. When she said she knows this place well, I teased her about knowing no one here in a “you know nothing Jon Snow” tone.

Conversation: my default conversation mode is always cocky-funny like that. Say for ex, talking about age. She said she s 20, I said “Oh so you are still just a toddler!” she tried a couple times to guess my age, when she got it right “took you some guesses, not very bright huh?” always with a laugh from both me and her.

Frame is generally solid, she laughs at everything I say. Never an awkward moment.

Compliance wise she passes everything. 100% attention on me, no looking at her phone, follow me where I wanted etc.

Kino: everything except kissing her. I could play with her hand, thighs, shoulder, lightly grazed her perfect ass. No resistance there. And since we’re dancing there s a ton of kino, caresses and physical escalation.

Kissing: during the dance when it gets hot I would do my typical move then go in for the kiss.



Tried it twice and both times I get the head turn. I always play it cool, just pretend like it never happen to try again later. And the girl’s demeanor doesn’t change at all.

End of the night, walked her out and offered my arm like the classic gentleman. She gladly took it. I escorted her home. When she’s about to go in I tried again for the kiss. Head turn but she is blushing and smiling and said “Not now”.

I mentioned hanging out again and she seemed eager.

Logistic: she lived with her parents. Called them just before she went back. So SNL is a no-go.

I ALWAYS try to venue changed to my crib with the classic that usually worked "phew its hot, lets go grab a quick drink at my place, but Ive got work tomorrow so you cant get me drunk"

Not working as of late.

This is basically how my last 3 dates went, very similar.

Optional reading: I went home and discussed with my wing/roommate. Dude is legit, 35 notches at 22.

Wing “You tried to kiss the girl 3 times???? I told you you don’t have to be so aggressive. You gotta build up the anticipation and give her time”

Me: “I don’t have time. Its either I banged on first date or I never see the girl again”

Wing: “No bro, that shit aint working. If you kiss on first date she will think you are a player etc.”

Me: “You are talking as a good looking white guy. I have to cash in all my chips fast with the hands Im dealt”

Wing: “You are devaluing yourself too much” I have been getting this A LOT from my buddies.

Wing: “Ok, try to kiss her once. If she is not down don’t try again. Wait for the signs”

Here’s the thing. Every crazy makeout sessions Ive had so far, I never got any signs. I just position myself and go for it. If I sit around waiting for signs I might as well try to build a sandcastle on a surfing beach.

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So there it is. Basically my all my recent dates in a nutshell.

It used to work. It used to be my default game. But now its not working and I don’t know why. My energy level is the same high. My conversation is smoother. My value is slightly higher.

The only slight difference is that, they don’t drink as much as my dates from last year did. They finish about half of their drink. And all 3 SEEMED to be the “good” type (I cringed writing these words)

Im willing to make changes, but I need to know where to start changing.