Quote: (04-20-2015 12:15 PM)speakeasy Wrote:
Quote: (04-20-2015 11:40 AM)Phoenix Wrote:
The libertarian theories of 'immigration is good' are woefully oversimplified and naive - and I otherwise agree with 95% of their ideas. They simply brush off the entire concept of nations and states as superfluous. To them a government simply 'should' be a certain thing, and if you 'should' it hard enough, it will just magically become like that. They don't understand that its formation stems from the natural law of mankind, just like everything else. That video also doesn't recognize that immigration into a welfare state is not the same thing as immigration into a laissez faire state.[/b]
Very good point. And there are many other things that aren't called "welfare" but are still nonetheless a transfer of wealth from citizens such as having kids and those kids being able to enroll in school at a cost of $10,000 a year to tax payers.
Talking only about the welfare argument. Lets say people dont have a lot of control over government(which seems to be pretty true). Why do people think its easier to persuade government to stop immigration than to stop welfare for immigrants? Really both ideas are a wash in tems of how easy they are.
Also, when talking about "welfare", you can include all those other things you are talking about. Why not just stop funding immigrants rather than restricting it altogether? Both for moral and economic reasons. On that note throw in voting rights for immigrants.
Strictly speaking both for immigrants and natives, the system which allows but doesnt give to immigrants is a better one than one which doesnt allow them.