Quote: (08-13-2014 02:47 PM)Engineer Wrote:
You are right, of course it's not to be taken lightly, this is one of the most serious topics out there. I was assuming the OP was done having kids. Agree this should almost never be done if you are under 30 and the IUD is the way to go.
I'm pretty sure the OP is in his 20s, as are most guys who post here. Like you say, they should not even be thinking about vasectomies.
Correct I'm 28 still got a long way to go.
Quote: (08-13-2014 02:53 PM)kaotic Wrote:
Lizard, the reason I said I wanted it was because from my understanding you can get it reversed with a high rate of success, saving sperm might be a good idea as well.
Nope, it's tricky and complicated and a lot of things can and do go wrong. It's just not something you should contemplate unless you're quite a bit older and definitely done having kids or have made a firm decision you don't want any (which you cannot make in your twenties).
A man should freeze his sperm if he gets a vasectomy just in case he changes his mind later. But the whole idea is not something a normal man in his twenties should be thinking about.
Thanks for the advice and insight I appreciate it.
Quote: (08-13-2014 03:51 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:
[quote] (08-13-2014 02:53 PM)kaotic Wrote:
Lizard, the reason I said I wanted it was because from my understanding you can get it reversed with a high rate of success, saving sperm might be a good idea as well.
I'm responding to your comment but it's a response to the comments that are similar I've seen here. Understand I'm not trying to single you out or be an asshole, but this is very serious as you've learned and I feel very strongly about it:
(08-13-2014, 07:53 PM)kaotic Wrote: Yeah I did feel invicible, but now that's been fractured a bit.
The problem is with all these guys rawdogging and saying they "feel invincible" or "feel [like they are perfect with controlling their ejaculation]"
Look, if you "feel" lucky that's fine, it's because YOU ARE. You might be close to 100% perfect, but guess what, nobody is. All this "feeling" is a lot of male hamster rationalization. Sounds a lot like women's "feeling" based reality.
It's one thing to say "Well I'm taking the risk because I love the feeling of rawdogging and I'll have to deal with the consequences....I just think the risk is low enough"
It's another thing to talk about your "feelings" or what you "think" is the reality when it comes to risk statistics. There is a ton of information on this forum as well as the internet that you can find as simply as just typing in "wikipedia" and your topic of choice.
Same thing with people talking about vasectomies like they are reversible. They are considered a NON-REVERSIBLE procedure because the rate at which they are reversible is low enough for the medical community to consider it as such. You can find all this out really easily or by searching on the forum.
Guys, consult reality, not your "feelings" or "assumptions." These are very serious topics.
On a related note, I can't wait until Vasalgel (RISUG) is available in the US or even India (for anyone).
Some links from the forum I just pulled up quickly:
STDs:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-1241.html
Pull Out Method:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-20872.html
Pull Out Method Study (method failing):
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-27177.html
STDs @ the CDC:
http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats/
Vasalgel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_...r_guidance
http://www.parsemusfoundation.org/vasalgel-home/
Hope this helps someone in the future. Good luck to OP with his current situation.
That was pretty intense and no you weren't an asshole it's sound advice I should have followed, you can feel anything, but it can be far from reality.
Quote: (08-13-2014 04:07 PM)germanico Wrote:
Wish I saw this earlier, heres what to do:
-Call her, dont text, call, and tell her to meet you immediately after work. Shes not to go anywhere but straight to your place. If she ask why, say that you need to see her, that everything will be allright and whatnot.
-Go to CVS or any big pharmacy and buy TWO pregnancy tests from different brands, BEFORE she arrives. You are not to go out of your place once shes in there.
- If you have work yourself, go home early. Dealing with this is more important.
-When she gets to your place, talk to her, listen to whatever she has to say and then clearly state that YOU have to be sure. Give her BOTH tests and tell her to take both of them in your bathroom. She has the option of walking outh of your bathroom with TWO freshly taken pregnancy tests in her hand or walking out of your door never to see you again.
Dont listen to any argument and dont yield to emotional blackmail. Those are HER options, nothing more.
-If tests are positive, its up to you. Since they will not, then deal with her by swiftly kicking her out of your house and out of your life.
Whatever you do, dont bang her ever again, for any reason, not even with a condom. Your mental and financial health is more valuable than any bish that might walk into your life.
I did call her and I do plan on buying some tests, I'm seeing her tonight.
Quote: (08-13-2014 05:23 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:
checking with OP...so she was on the birth control shot? I thought that was the miracle drug?
Yeah the shot, pretty obvious it's no miracle and I'm an idiot for not using a condom.
Quote: (08-13-2014 05:23 PM)Onto Wrote:
She may flip-flop back and forth with her decision, I would just support her through the flip-flopping.
Worst thing you could do is get upset with her for changing her mind.
Her: "I'm having second thoughts"
You: "Oh, I thought we agreed we weren't ready?"
Her: "Yeah but, blah, blah, blah"
You: "Oh...*pause*…well I do feel I'm not ready..*pause*...but I don't know….*pause*...what would you like to see me do?"
At this point she may be quiet for a while, thinking. You wait. If she says, "What?" repeat your question and let her sit with it.
If she says, "I don't know", don't say anything.
If she says, "I want you to raise it with me, etc.", then respond, "Ok, I'm worried I'm not ready, but if that's what you want, then I will." and say nothing else.
There's a good chance at this point she will suddenly feel a sense of fault for making demands on you. She wouldn't feel that way if you resisted. She would in fact feel justified, because she would see you being a self-interested person (aka Ego). However, if you don't resist, than she is left being the ego, (with her self-interested demands). See?
For us men being an ego is quite ok, but for women their claim is that they aren't an ego whatsoever, and if she gets a glimpse that she is being one, she may adjust her behavior accordingly so she won't be one anymore.
As anything, there are no guarantees and the stakes in this situation are quite high so it's possible she could handle having the fault for the prize of the baby, but this slight of hand has worked well for me in the past.
Yeah I'm being a little beta to her needs as of the moment, but I'm calling clinics, they hardly give me any info because i'm not the one pregnant. So retarded.