I think my first experience going for it is a good one to share. The first girl I pulled, I made my move after the second 'date' -(the first time it was a concert, the second time it was going to a bar with friends. This is where RVF's advice really came through for me. I was social, talking to other girls, people from other colleges, spending time with her in short intervals.)
It was the first time I faced LMR. She said she was more comfortable waiting till we knew each other better, and I said, "Listen, with me, sex isn't a bargaining chip. I know you well enough to know that I like you, but I just don't want to play games. Do you like me or no?" I made it clear that I couldn't be brushed off into some kind of orbiter role, but I was genuinely impatient and ready to leave, literally go back out there and find someone else.
To me this was the breakthrough moment. I could *see* her replaying the night over in her head, remembering the times when other girls were receptive to me. She understood that I could, credibly, pick someone else. If she went with it, then I could be the caring guy down the line.
In June, I won a $3000 Guaranteed NL Hold'em tournament on SportsBetting in June. I watched an obscenely aggressive player raise preflop every single hand, decided to call when I picked up Ace-ten. He had me covered, I called him down until the river, where he put me all in. It was a paired board, so I called, and doubled up.
On the final table, I called a three-bet with J-x, in position against the chip leader, who was dominating us. Again, I was put all in for my whole tournament, I called. On the river, I raised him, and got reraised all in.
And...
I called with jack-high, a missed gutshot straight draw. He had 10 8 for a worse busted straight draw (he was open-ended on the turn) and that gave me 50% of the chips in play. I made like 4 extreme hero calls that whole tournament, as in, calling down triple-barrel bluffs with air, then calling down that triple-barrel bluff PLUS the rebluff, and a few other big calls as well.
Sometimes you just have to go for it.
Ideally, it goes down like the RSD guys say. You get into a high-energy, emotional state, you're charismatic, you work up her buying temperature, pull her, and it works out well.
But I think that if she shows signs of putting you into the provider frame, you *put her to a decision* and go for it *right at that moment* with everything in place (it's late at night, she's already aroused, you know for sure she's attracted, you've shown value to other girls, etc). I'd suggest giving that exact line, word for word, a try.
It was the first time I faced LMR. She said she was more comfortable waiting till we knew each other better, and I said, "Listen, with me, sex isn't a bargaining chip. I know you well enough to know that I like you, but I just don't want to play games. Do you like me or no?" I made it clear that I couldn't be brushed off into some kind of orbiter role, but I was genuinely impatient and ready to leave, literally go back out there and find someone else.
To me this was the breakthrough moment. I could *see* her replaying the night over in her head, remembering the times when other girls were receptive to me. She understood that I could, credibly, pick someone else. If she went with it, then I could be the caring guy down the line.
In June, I won a $3000 Guaranteed NL Hold'em tournament on SportsBetting in June. I watched an obscenely aggressive player raise preflop every single hand, decided to call when I picked up Ace-ten. He had me covered, I called him down until the river, where he put me all in. It was a paired board, so I called, and doubled up.
On the final table, I called a three-bet with J-x, in position against the chip leader, who was dominating us. Again, I was put all in for my whole tournament, I called. On the river, I raised him, and got reraised all in.
And...
I called with jack-high, a missed gutshot straight draw. He had 10 8 for a worse busted straight draw (he was open-ended on the turn) and that gave me 50% of the chips in play. I made like 4 extreme hero calls that whole tournament, as in, calling down triple-barrel bluffs with air, then calling down that triple-barrel bluff PLUS the rebluff, and a few other big calls as well.
Sometimes you just have to go for it.
Ideally, it goes down like the RSD guys say. You get into a high-energy, emotional state, you're charismatic, you work up her buying temperature, pull her, and it works out well.
But I think that if she shows signs of putting you into the provider frame, you *put her to a decision* and go for it *right at that moment* with everything in place (it's late at night, she's already aroused, you know for sure she's attracted, you've shown value to other girls, etc). I'd suggest giving that exact line, word for word, a try.