You're leaving out a whole lot.
Just based on this scant information,
- you and your wing don't know tight two-man game
- you're being evasive about your job and ethnicity, even though there's no indication that she's trying to screen you. She could be seeking rapport. And like everyone else on this board, you're not very good at remembering or telling us about how these girls are reaction - verbally and non-verbally
- you're pushing kino and they aren't biting.
- you're bad at picking topics of conversation, and worse at steering them to where they need to be.
1) The Wing - let him run the conversation between the 4 of you. Your job is to chime in and big HIM up. His job is to run things and big YOU up. If you run together on a regular basis, tag team wing man pick up could do very well for you. You can brag on each other, and then pick up for each other's weaknesses, in addition to handling obstacles.
2) That Mr. Mysterious bs - the point of not answering her questions directly isn't to be mysterious, or to frustrate her, but to get her to play.
"Guess" (job or race, whatever) is a perfectly fine answer, but it has to be set up right.
Her - "So what are you/what do you do"
You - "That's a perfectly good question"
*at this point you have plenty of options, here's just 1*
You - "Now you look like a smart person, are you smart?"
her - "yes"
You - "I'm betting that you're pretty observant, would I be right"
her - "yes"
you - "now look into my eyes..., touch my hands..., feel the fabric of my shirt,.... look at my shoes,... listen to my voice....and i'll give you 3 guesses"
^^
a) yes ladder (textbook)
b) compliance (textbook)
c) she initiates kino/touch barrier broken (textbook)
All in 3 lines, less than 10 seconds of chatting.
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I could come up with DOZENS of ways to answer her question and get her to play with you a bit.
Doesn't mean she's gonna drop to her knees in the middle of Panera Bread.
But she wants to play (even if she doesn't know it). You have to give her something to play with.
Being Mr. Dos Equis x James Bond won't get you anywhere.
Even if you want to run Roissy style Dark Triad game, where you never give her answers, even he manages to dangle something in front of her and get her to jump at it.
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So to sum up.
You've got a good opening game.
But you don't know what to do with her once she's in your presence.
You have to get her to be a part of her own seduction, by giving her things to comment on, to challenge, to do on her own - AT YOUR DIRECTION.
Same thing that Kindergartner school teachers do with 5 year olds, and your boss does to you and your co-workers.
WIA
Just based on this scant information,
- you and your wing don't know tight two-man game
- you're being evasive about your job and ethnicity, even though there's no indication that she's trying to screen you. She could be seeking rapport. And like everyone else on this board, you're not very good at remembering or telling us about how these girls are reaction - verbally and non-verbally
- you're pushing kino and they aren't biting.
- you're bad at picking topics of conversation, and worse at steering them to where they need to be.
1) The Wing - let him run the conversation between the 4 of you. Your job is to chime in and big HIM up. His job is to run things and big YOU up. If you run together on a regular basis, tag team wing man pick up could do very well for you. You can brag on each other, and then pick up for each other's weaknesses, in addition to handling obstacles.
2) That Mr. Mysterious bs - the point of not answering her questions directly isn't to be mysterious, or to frustrate her, but to get her to play.
"Guess" (job or race, whatever) is a perfectly fine answer, but it has to be set up right.
Her - "So what are you/what do you do"
You - "That's a perfectly good question"
*at this point you have plenty of options, here's just 1*
You - "Now you look like a smart person, are you smart?"
her - "yes"
You - "I'm betting that you're pretty observant, would I be right"
her - "yes"
you - "now look into my eyes..., touch my hands..., feel the fabric of my shirt,.... look at my shoes,... listen to my voice....and i'll give you 3 guesses"
^^
a) yes ladder (textbook)
b) compliance (textbook)
c) she initiates kino/touch barrier broken (textbook)
All in 3 lines, less than 10 seconds of chatting.
________________________________________________
I could come up with DOZENS of ways to answer her question and get her to play with you a bit.
Doesn't mean she's gonna drop to her knees in the middle of Panera Bread.
But she wants to play (even if she doesn't know it). You have to give her something to play with.
Being Mr. Dos Equis x James Bond won't get you anywhere.
Even if you want to run Roissy style Dark Triad game, where you never give her answers, even he manages to dangle something in front of her and get her to jump at it.
__
So to sum up.
You've got a good opening game.
But you don't know what to do with her once she's in your presence.
You have to get her to be a part of her own seduction, by giving her things to comment on, to challenge, to do on her own - AT YOUR DIRECTION.
Same thing that Kindergartner school teachers do with 5 year olds, and your boss does to you and your co-workers.
WIA