I've been doing day game in Australia (mostly in Melbourne) for about 18 months. I very rarely see anyone running day game around here (I can recall maybe 2 or 3) and I have no friends who are into this. Other than some Australian dating/relationship blogs where blue-pilled guys complain about the women, I can't find anything to compare my experiences to. Hope there are RVF guys running day game in Melbourne - or anywhere in Australia would be fine - that can help answer some of my questions.
The reason I want to post this up as a specific Australian thing is that something has been bugging me for a while about my results, which I'll mention in a bit.
Brief info:
My day game targets: university students - ugrad and pgrad, young professionals (18-28 y.o), usually 6-7, but I have no problem approaching hotter girls
Hunting ground: uni campus, CBD, inner suburbs where the above targets live & play
Time: around lunch time during weekdays, weekend daytime while shopping or exercising outdoor
Me: Asian, 31 y.o (but look young enough to be a student), 170cm, muscular / athletic build, facially handsome (often called that by girls of all ethnicities), dressed smart casual (blazer + nice jeans) or athletic workout clothes when day-gaming
My history: notch count in the 20s, mostly from dating within my social circle, most are white girls
My approach: Day Bang, situation openers or elderly openers, ramble then go for 15-20 mins if sensing sufficient interest, bounce to coffee or exchange numbers by the end to catch up later for coffee, or drinks & live music.
Due to my limited time for day game (most of my approaches are done during my 1 hour lunch break at work), I can't go for sheer volume and so I tend to select targets that seem more approachable e.g:
- By herself
- Pleasant face
- Not overly occupied by BS phone stuff
- Make eye contact / send IOI
- Doing something interesting (e.g browsing some art works on sale)
Now this is where it seriously bugs me. In my 18 months doing this, I have had ZERO success with local Aussie / Melbourne girls (of any ethnicity). I've got a grand total of 2 numbers that ended up being flakes. Most of the time, I get blown out or they treat me as pretty much invisible.
The same game, however, has got me a lot more successes with foreign girls and even Aussie girls from other states. I've had 3 STRs (my preference btw) with a Swede 8, a Chinese 8 and a French 7.5. I've fooled around with Singaporeans, Spaniards, South Americans, North Americans, hell, even a Toronto chick. Even if I get nowhere sexually, I'd at least have a decent interaction with the foreign girls and we part ways with a spring in our steps. My game is fairly modest compared to most guys here, and I don't claim any crazy ratio, but my results with foreign girls seem to be about right compared to other day gamers around the world, adjusted for skill levels. Those girls like spending time with me, some even call me the most interesting man they've ever met. My favourite French STR calls me her Renaissance Man due to my various interests and passions.
Yet I get absolutely nowhere with local Aussie girls (I emphasized local / Melbourne, because I've had decent results with Sydney, Perth , Adelaide and especially Brisbane girls). This is only through day game though, as I used to get them through social circle, but I'm 31 now and the girls in my social circle are around the same age so do not want.
Now when I approach a girl, I have no idea if she's foreign or not, and it's only after the openers that I'd realise she is. To give you some examples from my approaches this last couple of weeks:
- I got on the tram, made eye contact with hot brunette who beamed a smile back at me. She was scribbling something down, I opened & asked if she's writing a story. Bam, London accent, and it turned out we have a friend in common. Number closed, told her to come along this weekend for my friend's band from overseas.
- Exact same approach (another time) with a local girl on the tram, got nowhere and as soon as we got off (same stop), she couldn't wait to ditch me and cross to the other side of the road as if I'm some potential rapist lol
- I went to a uni yoga class, talked to a few girls while we were in line. After class they had a free lunch, I talked to the same girls and more in the lunch line, then told them let's go outside & sit on grass as it's beautiful & sunny. The Aussie girls didn't join me, one would rather eat by herself. Four girls joined me: a Dutch, a Brazilian, a blonde American and an Asian American. We had a good time, convos were lively. I ended up getting the Dutch's number.
It's got to the point where every time I manage to progress to a half decent interaction with a girl, I expect to hear an accent and ask where she's from.
The only thing I've found from this forum about Melbourne so far is that some Aussie RSD coach claiming that Melbourne is the toughest city he's ever been to, out of 80-something, and that you're better off going to small hipster bars & doing social circle game. He didn't say anything about day game though. Melbourne girls are in fact very cliquey, but since I have not spent much time gaming in other cities, I really can't say for sure whether they're at all open to day game. I haven't travelled enough since learning Game but will be doing more of that starting this year (heading to America in a couple of months).
I'm lucky that what I'm doing seems to work with foreign girls and there are enough of them around here, but I'm missing out on a lot of local talents!
What is your experience with day gaming in Australia? And why do you think I'm bombing hard with local girls?
The reason I want to post this up as a specific Australian thing is that something has been bugging me for a while about my results, which I'll mention in a bit.
Brief info:
My day game targets: university students - ugrad and pgrad, young professionals (18-28 y.o), usually 6-7, but I have no problem approaching hotter girls
Hunting ground: uni campus, CBD, inner suburbs where the above targets live & play
Time: around lunch time during weekdays, weekend daytime while shopping or exercising outdoor
Me: Asian, 31 y.o (but look young enough to be a student), 170cm, muscular / athletic build, facially handsome (often called that by girls of all ethnicities), dressed smart casual (blazer + nice jeans) or athletic workout clothes when day-gaming
My history: notch count in the 20s, mostly from dating within my social circle, most are white girls
My approach: Day Bang, situation openers or elderly openers, ramble then go for 15-20 mins if sensing sufficient interest, bounce to coffee or exchange numbers by the end to catch up later for coffee, or drinks & live music.
Due to my limited time for day game (most of my approaches are done during my 1 hour lunch break at work), I can't go for sheer volume and so I tend to select targets that seem more approachable e.g:
- By herself
- Pleasant face
- Not overly occupied by BS phone stuff
- Make eye contact / send IOI
- Doing something interesting (e.g browsing some art works on sale)
Now this is where it seriously bugs me. In my 18 months doing this, I have had ZERO success with local Aussie / Melbourne girls (of any ethnicity). I've got a grand total of 2 numbers that ended up being flakes. Most of the time, I get blown out or they treat me as pretty much invisible.
The same game, however, has got me a lot more successes with foreign girls and even Aussie girls from other states. I've had 3 STRs (my preference btw) with a Swede 8, a Chinese 8 and a French 7.5. I've fooled around with Singaporeans, Spaniards, South Americans, North Americans, hell, even a Toronto chick. Even if I get nowhere sexually, I'd at least have a decent interaction with the foreign girls and we part ways with a spring in our steps. My game is fairly modest compared to most guys here, and I don't claim any crazy ratio, but my results with foreign girls seem to be about right compared to other day gamers around the world, adjusted for skill levels. Those girls like spending time with me, some even call me the most interesting man they've ever met. My favourite French STR calls me her Renaissance Man due to my various interests and passions.
Yet I get absolutely nowhere with local Aussie girls (I emphasized local / Melbourne, because I've had decent results with Sydney, Perth , Adelaide and especially Brisbane girls). This is only through day game though, as I used to get them through social circle, but I'm 31 now and the girls in my social circle are around the same age so do not want.
Now when I approach a girl, I have no idea if she's foreign or not, and it's only after the openers that I'd realise she is. To give you some examples from my approaches this last couple of weeks:
- I got on the tram, made eye contact with hot brunette who beamed a smile back at me. She was scribbling something down, I opened & asked if she's writing a story. Bam, London accent, and it turned out we have a friend in common. Number closed, told her to come along this weekend for my friend's band from overseas.
- Exact same approach (another time) with a local girl on the tram, got nowhere and as soon as we got off (same stop), she couldn't wait to ditch me and cross to the other side of the road as if I'm some potential rapist lol
- I went to a uni yoga class, talked to a few girls while we were in line. After class they had a free lunch, I talked to the same girls and more in the lunch line, then told them let's go outside & sit on grass as it's beautiful & sunny. The Aussie girls didn't join me, one would rather eat by herself. Four girls joined me: a Dutch, a Brazilian, a blonde American and an Asian American. We had a good time, convos were lively. I ended up getting the Dutch's number.
It's got to the point where every time I manage to progress to a half decent interaction with a girl, I expect to hear an accent and ask where she's from.
The only thing I've found from this forum about Melbourne so far is that some Aussie RSD coach claiming that Melbourne is the toughest city he's ever been to, out of 80-something, and that you're better off going to small hipster bars & doing social circle game. He didn't say anything about day game though. Melbourne girls are in fact very cliquey, but since I have not spent much time gaming in other cities, I really can't say for sure whether they're at all open to day game. I haven't travelled enough since learning Game but will be doing more of that starting this year (heading to America in a couple of months).
I'm lucky that what I'm doing seems to work with foreign girls and there are enough of them around here, but I'm missing out on a lot of local talents!
What is your experience with day gaming in Australia? And why do you think I'm bombing hard with local girls?