[Ocelot]

(10-13-2013 06:47 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I'm probably wrong. But..

I will respectfully disagree on a few points:

(10-13-2013 10:09 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

A) Allowing and encouraging sluthood results in extreme Alpha/Beta divide as far as sexual resources (women) go.

How would you know this? What is this theory based on?

There is already a huge divide between alpha and beta.

I think more sluts would make it easier for betas to get laid.

More betas getting laid would REDUCE the alpha/beta divide.

But.. It's hard to say exactly what would happen. We are both just speculating. Right?

(10-13-2013 10:09 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

B) When sex (and reliable progeny) is impossibly hard or dangerous to come by for most men, then most men will turn to extremes: being herbivores, porn, masturbation, suicide on one end, or violent (rape) and murderous (killing the Alpha) behaviour on the other.

I respectfully disagree again.

I think if more betas are getting laid -- Murder, rape, suicide, shootings, porn -- will GO DOWN.

(10-13-2013 10:09 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

[b]C) Genetics don't feed the bulldog.

I think more sluts = more betas having sex = improved creativity/productivity for betas

It's nearly 3am over here, so if this post makes no sense, forgive me.

Perhaps the word slut is misleading you, but beta males are absolutely not getting greater sexual access since the sexual revolution than they had before. What's happening isn't so much that women are having more sex, as there's a general shift from investment based mating (rewarding a man who can provide for their needs/help raise a family) to competition based mating (selecting for 'alpha' characteristics).

It's been said here before, but our civilisation was based upon the subjugation of alphas and women, for the benefit of betas and children. The fact that beta males had a shot at sexual access if they only worked and produced has been the driving force behind the engine that created everything you see around you. To top it all off, children got to be raised by two parents, which I'm sure you can see the benefit of. As the government gradually usurps the role of beta males however, paying for all women's choices, the incentive to be productive is being chipped away at.

No one's saying that we're going to be living in caves tomorrow, or that we've gone overnight from lifelong pair bonding for everyone to elephant seal-style mating, where the top 10% of males have 90% of the sex, and most die virgins. The fact does remain, however, that there are far more guys out there who will never get laid than there were 70 years ago.

(10-13-2013 06:47 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I think more sluts would make it easier for betas to get laid.

As someone who has success with women, I think you probably forget what the average beta male's 'game' consists of. If they were to take on characteristics which made it easy to get laid, they would cease to be beta. Of course, most guys still get laid, but it's not "easy" for them by any means.

For the record, I'm in the same camp as you; if not for quite the same reasons. Slut shaming seems pointless to me, because whilst it might work on an individual level, women as a collective are going to continue to get sluttier as long as it's paid for by the state. I also feel that our society is diseased beyond hope, so the quicker it collapses the better. We might as well enjoy the decline! We might as well enjoy the sluts, while they last.