Quote: (06-23-2017 02:41 PM)heavy Wrote:
Also, this guy was raised by his mom. Doesn't it seem like people raised by moms (no dads present) are more empirical?
If it's true, it's possible. The Absent or Cucked Father / Dominating Mother combination has been a consistently-reliable tell for me for a man to be either Gay or Gamma.
His rhetoric doesn't sound much different to the party line spouted by Gamma Creeps like John Scalzi or Joss Whedon, or even less militant ones like Tom Hardy. If you read between the lines of their statements, you always end up with this recurring theme:
"I'm awkward and uncomfortable around masculinity because I'm constantly-aware of my failure to measure up to its standards. I deeply-resent the men whom seem to have easy-possession it."
Don't be fooled by the physiques of Hardy or Rollins. Gamma isn't something that is defeated by lifting weights, particularly if he qualifies as a Manlet (5ft9).
Being in the punk scene, I was obviously-aware of Black Flag, but when the Alternative Culture was commodified into Mass Culture it was much easier to hear his message directly. I bought a couple of his books, but all I read was intense Ressentiment against Functionality and the standard Impotent LiberalGamma Fantasies of Extreme Violence, all filtered through Post-Modern writing ability. Since I wasn't a thirteen-year-old who would mistake that kind of thing for 'adult', I didn't even finish the first book, as I realised "This guy has nothing to teach me," since I vaguely-remembering him saying men should eat their own cum before demanding a woman swallow so they know what it tastes like.
Remember, I don't respect Walt Whitman as a Writer, so Rollins stood no chance with me. I've grown to believe Leftists are in the mental condition they are because they are the most furious consumers of the toxic, dysfunctional art Leftists create.
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As an aside, I just noticed the book company is called 2.13.61. Looking it up now, it's his birthdate. I find this interesting, because there's been a lot of manosphere discussion lately about a theoretical culling of the Boomers, and both Jones and Strauss / Howe cut off Boomers at 1960, which has never rung true to me.
I left a small note on a site, talking about growing up Gen X, and during the Alternative-Era noting that I had nothing in common with all the artists and musicians being held up as Gen X thought-leaders. To me, they largely-struck me as Boring Older Kids trying to boss us around and force Boomer Morality upon us. Even the records they liked had more in common with my Dad's record collection than my own.
I've theorised the reliable cut off date for Boomer Sermonising is actually the end of '64. If the theoretical cull ever happens, be warned.
Some interesting dates to note of those most reliably-given 'Gen X' media coverage:
Kim Gordon - 1953!
Thurston Moore - 1958
Michael Stipe - 1960
Henry Rollins - 1961
Anthony Kiedis - 1962
Tori Amos - 1963
Natalie Merchant - 1963
Kat Bjelland - 1963
Eddie Vedder - 1964
Courtney Love - 1964
Kurt Cobain - 1967 - but note he only started furiously-sermonising after starting to date Love
Note they are all Moral Crusaders, whereas the '67-'68 cohort (Mike Patton, Billy Corgan, Scott Weiland, Layne Staley, Juliana Hatfield) were much more low-key about their political beliefs. If people of that generation were given excessive media coverage far beyond their limited record sales, they were usually from Leftist enclaves like Portland.
Holy hell, were the first group tedious and sanctimonious, and I've always believed Alternative Music died as youth group movement quickly as it did due to it's co-option by 28-32 year olds for leftist political purposes.
Spitballing now: I wonder if the actors and musicians who get the biggest media pushes now would fall into what I consider the Second Wave of Boomer Parenting. My parents had my sister at 17, me at 20. There's a common Gen X feeling of our parents being completely-absent through our childhood, and we were left to our own devices to wander-freely and fend for ourselves as our parents "found themselves."
I've also theorised that, by most of our late teens, Boomer Parents could no longer avoid the destruction they'd wrecked upon their children through absence, abortion or divorce, and so turned to a suffocating, helicopter style of parenting to overcompensate for their guilt. I noticed this seemed to kick in during the late 80's for many people I knew: suddenly their parents went from not caring, to caring too much.
There would also be the second wave of Boomer Births, from women and men who delayed parenting until their late 20's and 30's so they could engage in free love, feminism or casual sex.
As such, I suspect it's the Guilt-Age Boomers who raised the Social Justice Millennials, and, due to trying to be a friend to their children rather than a parent, they share the exact same ideals, hence the widespread lack of rebellion against the parents.
Therefore, I'd expect the Shitlord Millennials would either be the children of Generation X, who have a much looser parenting style on the whole, expecting children to work out things for themselves as much as possible and only stepping in when necessary, or True Free Thinkers.
I've noted on here for a couple of years to watch the play style of younger kids, as I've been seeing something very different. Gen Z's parents are functionally-absent like Gen X'er's were, due to work demands, scheduling excessive after-school activities, or being focused on their smart phones.
I originally noticed children playing in groups, outdoors, unsupervised, learning how to socialise and that not everyone has to tolerate you if you're toxic. I then noticed young teenagers walking around in groups again, talking, with no-one looking at a screen.
Now it's snowballing in the last year. I'm seeing unsupervised children everywhere. I'll be hiking in the bush and come across boys 'hunting' kangaroos with sticks, and note they've all left their bikes stashed in one place, and understand they rode there by themselves. It's Winter here, and has been getting dark about 5:30, so when I saw a group of under 10's skateboarding down the street at 7:30 the other night, yelling to each other about going to one of their houses cause his mother 'wouldn't be home from work yet', I could only grin.
If there is a coming conflict, it's the Shitlord Millennials, the older X'ers and the younger Z'eds who will band together.