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Ocean's Eleven (1960)
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Ocean's Eleven (1960)

The forum here is one of the few places where there is good discussion of the massive cultural change in the last 50 odd years.

One suggestion is to learn from the past, learn from movies. Go see the original "Oceans 11". Learn from American men for a change.

- men drink alcohol straight
- they dress well, like adults, like men, not like children (actually even the boy in the film dresses like a man)
- women are feminine and attentive to their men, and appreciative of their men
- men flirt like mad
- women flirt like mad
- Angie Dickenson is proof that not every woman hits the wall
- Men talk about women and sleeping with them
- Men talk about doing things (here robbery)
- They stand up to women when they act foolish
- People are thin and healthier
- Especially women
- Women can be exceptionally catty with each other
- Men lead

They have traditional roles, but they are not rapists, or creeps.... even though they are engaged in crime. They are just men. There are things to admire and emulate. And sometimes they fuck up.

The women. Sometimes they are admirable. None look or act much like our American women of 2013. Even the bitchiness of the spurned lover is better behavior than our typical daily experiences with women.

Avoid contemporary TV. Enjoy and learn from pre-misandrist entertainment.

"Equality may perhaps be a right, but no power on earth can ever turn it into a fact."

"Want him to be more of a man? Try being more of a woman!"

"It is easier to be a lover than a husband, for the same reason that it is more difficult to be witty every day, than to say bright things from time to time."

Balzac, Physiology of Marriage
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