Quote: (01-22-2013 07:44 PM)BIGINJAPAN Wrote:
Quote: (01-22-2013 04:15 PM)philly22 Wrote:
Quote: (01-21-2013 04:00 PM)BIGINJAPAN Wrote:
Quote: (01-21-2013 02:43 PM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:
Quote: (01-21-2013 12:48 PM)Faust Wrote:
How do I get a doctor to actually pay attention, and not give me the first diagnosis that pops into his head?
When you book your appointment, tell the receptionist that you have a difficult problem and that you are now seeking a third opinion. Mention that you think you need at least 30 minutes face-time with the doctor. If the doc/receptionist cannot accommodate you with this reasonable request, find someone who will.
Quote: (01-21-2013 12:48 PM)Faust Wrote:
If there's beneficial drugs for comfort that I can get (Painkillers, sleeping pills, etc.) is there a way to make it more likely that he'll prescribe them?
Just ask. "Doc, what can you give me for sleep/erectile dysfunction/my aversion to fat women?"
Most doctors see themselves as service providers, you just have to define the service you want to provide.
Quote: (01-21-2013 12:48 PM)Faust Wrote:
Is there any way to avoid having to wait like a month to see a specialist?
You can PM me for some unconventional ideas on this topic.
There's people on this thread talking about searching your symptoms on the net. Let me just say that for minor stuff that's okay, but no amount of googling will ever replace a wise and experienced doctor with mad clinical skillz. In fact, despite the massive mountains of info one has to absorb in medical school, the school I went to emphasised that it's impossible to know everything and put heavy emphasis on knowing what is normal and abnormal upon physical examination. Knowledge can always be looked up.
Therefore, here are 2 signs that you are under the care of a real doctor:
- He doesn't make a diagnosis until he's examined you
- If he doesn't know what's wrong with you, he'll admit it but will offer to look it up for you or refer you to the right specialist. It's a doctor's job to look up stuff he doesn't know. It's NOT a doctor's job to know everything, because that's just impossible.
Doctor bashing is popular on this forum and I guess it's because of the mercantile nature of American medicine (bill first, healthy patient later), but I think it's dangerous to think that when faced with a serious health issue, you can outgoogle a good doctor. A doctor is not trained to remember medical information, but rather to process it cognitively in a working paradigm for his patient. You can google the symptoms but you're not going to be able to tell fact from bullshit and relevance from irrelevance if you have not been trained in that paradigm and have not had some clinical experience.
The reason people bash doctors is because they are useless in the western world unless you have been in a car accident or have broken bones. Acute care the west excels at, everything else we lag the rest of the world.
Can you name me one disease that doctors have cured us of ? Of course not because there isn't any. But I can name several that doctors have created.
Alzheimer's
Parkinson's
Erectile dysfunction
Many cases of type II diabetes
There insistence of vaccines has led to an outbreak of dysfunctional children. Who can't learn or focus properly. Some may argue that vaccines don't cause autism, but I think the evidence shows clearly there is a link.
Doctors know nothing about nutrition, vitamins and minerals. The very basics of the human body and these guys don't have a clue. We are supposed to listen to them when it comes to our own health ?
How many of them got busted last year for accepting bribes from Big Pharma ? 1000's. Why would I believe a doctor has my best interest at heart when they are being paid off by a major drug company to pedal their ineffective drugs and down right harmful
Ever heard of " dead doctors don't lie " ? A doctor by the name of Joel Wallach did a simple research study about at what age do doctors die as compared to the rest of the country. Guess what he found ? The first time he did it he discovered that GP's died at the average age of 58, meanwhile the average fat ass in america lived to be 76. Why would that be ? Well because doctors tend to listen to their own advice, such as low cholesterol diets, low sodium diets and probably getting vaccinated. Now of course doctors came out in defense of this study, but really how could you fake it or even tweak it ? All he did was go through the JAMA obituaries of all the doctors who had died over the course of several years. So if the average doctor in america is living almost 20 years less than the average american, why would we listen to them ?
This post is so wrong I don't even know where to begin.
How exactly did doctor's create erectile dysfunction, type 2 diabetes etc? All those diseases have existed forever and now you can take a pill- levitra for ED or take insulin for diabetes and you're fine. Did you know back in the day people used to die from syphillis. Literally they would die. Now you take an antibiotic for 2 weeks and its like it never happened.
Doctors know nothing about minerals, vitamins. Um what? Everything that we do know about vitamins and minerals comes from doctors and scientists. I'm sure you could listen to some bogus guy on the internet claiming that mineral oil cures you of AIDS or you can go with the real treatment and get protease inhibitors. Yea- do you think Magic Johnson would still be alive right now if it wasn't for the advancements in medicine or would he be dead like everyone else who got AIDS in the 60's and 70's???
Maybe the reason physicians don't have as long life expectancy is because their lifestyle sucks and working 80+ hours a week and the stress isn't healthy.
And the worst statement of all about vaccines and autism- The ONE study that showed a link had a sample size of 12 patients. 12!!! And the guy published his study. A real study has hundreds or thousands of patients. The guy who published it has since left the scientific community because his study has led to hundreds of gullible soccer moms looking for a scapegoat on why their kid ended up with autism. Vaccines are probably the best thing that has ever come out in medicine and has led to the eradication of polio, small pox, mumps, rubella, measles, varicella etc. Doctors never cure anything. Do you know anyone who has had small pox??? Why - because its CURED.
Autism study link
http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/aut...index.html
ED, Alzheimers, Parkinsons are caused by the low cholesterol diets that are vaunted doctors recommend. Testosterone comes solely from the manufacturing of cholesterol. Human body produces 10% of our daily need. Where are you supposed to get the rest if you aren't eating cholesterol ?
Secondly besides testosterone, our brains and nervous system again are almost entirely made up of cholesterol. At the least the solid mass parts. So how is your brain or nervous system supposed to repair itself if it isn't getting cholesterol ? Because not only are we told to eat low cholesterol diets they now have half the aging population on lowering cholesterol drugs. Which is now causing Type II diabetes and kidney failure. Granted Diabetes can be caused by numerous other things but a big part of that is now cholesterol drugs.
Doesn't take a medical degree to put these facts together. But you guys can rant all you want about our great doctors.
Also again for the record the study of dead doctors don't lie was done by comparings GP's. DO you guys not realize that is general practitioner ? Meaning working 40 hours a week. Not 80 like you guys keep thinking. AGain that is why the study is damning to the medical community. The study has been replicated several times and they kept finding the same thing, doctors die sooner than fat asses.
1) ED is caused by circulatory issues- when you get a boner it is because your penis is being flushed with fluid. How would cholesterol effect this?
2) You state that our brains and NS are made up almost entirely of cholesterol. - Cholesterol is part of the cell membrane which is in every cell in our body including the brain. Very few people have a shortage of cholesterol. Too much cholesterol is the common problem and leads to arterial blockage.
3) "Granted Diabetes can be caused by numerous other things but a big part of that is now cholesterol drugs." - No Type 2 diabetes is caused by one thing which is cellular resistance to insulin. To insinuate that this is related to intake of cholesterol lowering drugs is nonsense.
4) "Testosterone comes solely from the manufacturing of cholesterol". - Testosterone is a steroid hormone which is a related molecule of cholesterol so congrats that is the only quasi true statement in your post. However lack of cholesterol is not a problem for the majority of people and certainly has no impact in the diseases you mentioned.