What's up all. Longtime reader, brand new poster, wanted to give back etc etc.
I've noticed Malaysia gets no respect on this forum. For all the guys here living or dreaming of living in southeast Asia, there are maybe three threads that cover KL at any length, and those are pretty superficial. We got dudes triangulating Bangkok pussy soi-by-soi with laser guided precision, we got the ins and outs of Hong Kong and Tokyo girls discussed in detail that is at once inspiring and god damn disgusting, and meanwhile millions of beautiful young girls go about their humdrum Malaysian lives completely unmolested by our game-running ways. I mean, I'm working it hard down here, but KL's a huge city and I'm only one man (with admittedly the genitals of three, but I digress). There's a lot of good women blossoming, getting hitched, getting fat, and going to waste without ever once getting properly negged.
It's a damn shame, and one I mean to rectify.
So here's a KL data sheet with the good, the bad, and how to avoid the uggoes.
About me: American, mid-twenties, living and working in KL for over a year now. I make decent money and have a nice-ish place but nothing inordinately grand. I'm white, in good shape, and (height trolls, lean forward) stand a scant five-foot-eight. Good confidence, average game. Your garden variety rooshdude.
And--sharing this not to brag, only as an endorsement of my adopted city--my count since arriving in KL is comfortably in double digits, which is multiple times better than any previous year of my life. That's despite arriving with no social group and almost no connections. Hence my enthusiasm for KL.
The KL Basics
I've been to every other major city in the region, and outside of Singapore, I don't think any is as liveable as KL. Singapore is nicer, KL's a lot cheaper, but not so cheap that you contend with widespread poverty like you would in Manila, Phnom Penh, or parts of Bangkok. There is a huge area of KL that appears almost first world, which (IMHO) makes it a better place to post up long term than those other three. Your mileage may vary.
Currency is the ringgit (Rm), 3.1 ringgits to the dollar.
Getting In
If you're coming to Malaysia, odds are you're on a plane landing at KLIA or perhaps LCCT, which are basically adjacent. There's a train, busses, and taxis to take you into the city. I prefer the express train, which is Rm 35. If you're saving cash (not a bad idea, given the price of booze, which more on that later) then take the Rm 8 bus which'll get you to KL Sentral, the city's big transportation hub, in about 45 minutes.
The visa situation is also good: Americans, and I assume Europeans too, get a free three-month visa upon entry. You don't even fill out a form. When your three months are up, take a weekend trip to Singapore, Thailand, or Indonesia, all of which are within easy and affordable reach on AirAsia/Tiger Air/SEAir, and you get three more months when you come back. Plenty of expats working here never get anything more than the default tourist visa.
People
Ethnically, Malaysia is half Malay (Malays are by law Muslim), then increasingly smaller parts Chinese, Indian (mostly Tamil, with those dinnerplate eyes), and Indigenous, plus a healthy sprinkling of Miscellaneous. When you get outside KL, there are areas that are predominately Malay or Chinese, but the city itself seems evenly split between the two. I don't know the demographics but there are plenty of both around for those hellbent on one or the other.
Language
There is effectively no language barrier in KL. Signage is in English nearly as often as Malay, and if you pick the average girl, odds are she'll have passable to good English.
Transportation
Having previously lived in NYC and Chicago, I think public transportation here is good-ish. The light rail and monorail cover most places you want to go and get you there for Rm 4 or less; print out a system map, put it in your wallet, and you'll never need to fuck with taxis and traffic.
About those: there are two types of taxis. Beat little red and white cars, which are more prevalent, and blue vans ("teksi eksekutif") which are more comfortable and more expensive. All are metered and marked prominently with signs saying "THIS IS A METERED TAXI HAGGLING PROHIBITED" which is how you know that the moment you hail one, the driver is gonna start quoting you some exhorbitant price that bears no relation to what your trip should actually cost. A cabbie was recently put in jail for charging a tourist couple (Danish, if memory serves) Rm 850 for a ride that should've been Rm 10. That's extreme but indicative of the cabbies' basic approach. Don't pay the trumped up price, it only encourages those fuckers. Demand the meter. If they won't use it, take the next cab, it'll be along shortly. If you use the meter, cabs are dirt cheap and usually competitive in price with mass transit when you have a group of three or more. But during the week, traffic is hell from 7 AM to at least 9 or 10 PM and this can make long rides much, much longer.
Accommodations
There are several big clusters of hotels and apartments throughout the city, but let me recommend you stay in Bukit Bintang or near KLCC (that's where the Petronas Towers are). Both are central, upscale though not necessarily expensive, and have easy access to transportation around and about. I'll say more on pick up below, but for now, let's consider your pickup style and time available. ONS, SNL: Easier in Bukit Bintang, but KL isn't a great ONS city. Second night lay: KLCC or Bukit Bintang. KLCC has more housing and a lot more good options on AirBnB. FWIW, I've chosen KLCC.
Getting Fresh
Temperatures are balls hot and the natives walk around in flannel and tight jeans anyway. So it goes in SE Asia. If you wanna pick up, bring dark wash jeans, Vans Authentic or the equivalent, and at minimum a t-shirt that fits properly. Supposing you didn't forget your white skin at home, a basic outfit like that will be enough to get you past any bouncer and give off a "stylish, very possibly paid" vibe to rando girls you meet. Can't speak to the experiences of non-white dudes, other than to say this is a race-obsessed (not to say racist) country and my suspicion is that clubs set the bar a notch or two higher for Asian guys.
Food
Last thing point before we get to game and nightlife: The food scene is incredible. To my mind, Malay, Chinese, and Indian are three of the world's great cuisines and all are present here in such variety and quantity that you'll never try it all. You're probably familiar with Chinese and Indian; Malay I'd situate between Indian and Thai. It's greasier and meatier than Chinese, Indian, or Thai, and comes complete with a huge range of semi-sweet dessert cakes ("kuih") that I'm gonna miss so hard once I leave this place.
A few of my favorites to sample while you're around: Stingray, a yam ring, and any kind of pork from a Chinese place; roti canai (a chewy flat bread), nasi lemak (the signature Malay dish but not available everywhere), satay, and kueh teow bandung from a Malay place; banana leaf pure vegetarian, barfi (dessert for people who like hyper-sweet stuff), and a pile of rice, chicken thighs and feet, salted hardboiled eggs, steamed/sauteed vegetables, and mixed sauces off the ubiquitous buffets at the Indian/"nasi kandar" places. Don't be afraid of street food. It's at least semi-regulated and has never given me trouble. At stalls and open air restaurants, expect to pay Rm 8 or less for food and drink; eat inside in aircon, you're looking at closer to Rm 20. Check Timeout KL if you're willing to throw down for some high-end variations on local fare.
Aight, enough of that. Let's talk about something that matters.
Nightlife
I write this from the perspective of a dude who doesn't go out for the sake of going out. I regard dressing up, overpaying for drinks, dancing to American Top 40 remixes, and making small talk in the bathroom line as bullshit I put up with to get laid, or to be around friends. None of that's my idea of a good time. So when I say KL's nightlife is alright, I mean there are enough venues with chicks dancing and drinking that you can find one party popping most nights, and more on the weekend. If that's your thing. And there are also plenty of places to get a quiet drink, but it's gonna cost you.
Doin Good Dranking
My own preference is to get some beers with friends, but however you do your drinking, in KL you have to start by adjusting your expectations. Anyone who's traveled to developing countries knows what an embarrassment of boozy riches we have in America and Europe; in KL, like most places in this part of the world, there are only a few options for beer. You can find Hoegaarden, Heineken, and Guinness. If you want something you never tried before, take a Tiger. It's bland, inoffensive, and way ahead of the competition. The other big Malaysian beers--Anchor, Carlsberg, Royal Stout--are fucking foul and this is coming from a guy who savors each sip of a Keystone Ice. Liquors range from upcycled battery acid to pretty pretty pretty good. Rm 40 for a fifth of rum is a reasonable price point if you wanna be assured you won't go blind.
Which raises another point: Rm 40, or about USD 13, for mediocre liquor isn't cheap, especially when you're paying $3 max for most meals. If you like drinking--well of course you like drinking, who the hell don't?--you will quickly find that KL has some of the priciest, if not the priciest, booze in the world. Seriously, in the world.
New York, London, Moscow, they all have places where you can blow half your paycheck on a bar tab, but they have even more hole in the wall alternatives where beers are a couple three bucks. Thanks to Malaysia's hefty sin tax, there is no cheap drinking in KL. Awful beer is never less than Rm 10 at a restaurant or bar. Good beer isn't available most places, and where it is, you should expect to pay Rm 20 at minimum. In the most popular bars and clubs, at the most poppingest times of night, drinks are going for Rm 30-50 and up. If you're pimping on a budget and alcohol is a big part of your game, this isn't the city for you.
If you're gonna drink anyway, your best options are pregaming and/or finding an open air Chinese restaurant. For pregaming, hit Cold Storage or an equivalent grocery store, head for the "haram" section (where they keep the vodka, spam, and other Muslim-world unmentionables) and stock up on the half liters of bottom shelf liquor. Rm 8-10, the absolute most booze for you ringgit anywhere in Malaysia. Mix and enjoy. The open air Chinese places sell liters of Tiger and Carlsberg for Rm 13-16. Look for these places in Chinatown, or even better, near Jalan Changkat in Bukit Bintang--that's right around the corner from a lot of nightlife.
Bars & Clubs
Expat central is the long row of bars on Jalan Changkat. Outside of white nationalism I see no reason to ever visit this place but it is convenient and, since much of the crowd is tourists, lively throughout the week. The best places are Finnegan's, The Social, and Havana. Havana has an upstairs dance floor, and if you appear foreign, they'll let you up to grind on other foreigners. Of the three, The Social has the most locals and overall the best crowd. It also has a cover on weekends.
You could conceivably pick up western-style hos by running western-style game on Jalan Changkat. Cellulite fetishists need look no further, in fact. But did you come to KL to get short ribs at TGI Fridays? To eat at KFC? Right, and neither should you fly halfway around the world to fuck a backtalking Connecticut girl fresh out of UPenn doing her operations rotation in Citibank's Malaysia office. Don't be one of the dudes who hits Changkat every single Friday and Saturday night. The chick in the cubicle next to mine has been boned by enough vacationing Aussies who never skyped her when their flights touched down in Bangkok the next day, even though they promised they would; the emotional wounds / vaginal chafing need time, time to heal. Look elsewhere.
For instance:
Zouk (KLCC) - This is the KL club. It's huge and gets some big names on the turntables. There will be local girls dancing unattended here, and they'll be getting a lot of attention. There's also a selection of higher-caliber expat girls than you find on Changkat. The "best party in KL" moves from club to club quicker than I can keep up with, but Zouk seems to remain, if not the best, then close. That's why I say this is your surest bet for a club pick up. Dudes under 23 aren't allowed, cover ranges from Rm 20 - 60.
Skybar (KLCC) - This is a beautiful space. When my friends and I are drunk and it's midnight and we can't figure what to do, we go here, order whatever's cheapest on the menu (I recommend the nachos), and chill out. It's on the top floor of a hotel and has great views. Good place to take a girl if you wanna win her heart by slanging some cash--which btw, not a bad approach, Beta Baller game is not dead in this corner of the world.
Butter Factory (KLCC) - You know how some clubs are unmarked and hard to find, to give them that air of exclusivity? This place takes the opposite approach. It's a huge black cube, labeled "The Butter Factory," standing in the middle of a centrally located but mostly undeveloped lot. Really new, so it attracts a lot of local/national celebs and girls curious to get a glimpse of them. As clubs of the moment go, I say Lust (reviewed below) is more fun, but this place has more girls and is probably better for meeting one.
The Pool (KLCC-ish) - If you're coming by train, this is closer to the Ampang Park stop than KLCC. Another cool space, better for when you've already got a girl than when you're looking. There's a pool, a view, expensive drinks, trendy music, all the upscale bar essentials. On nights when Pool has big parties, there are enough people standing around mingling that you can do some approaches. Otherwise, if you're in pick up mode, save the Rm 35 cover and go elsewhere.
STAGE (KLCC) - A new club near KLCC. I went one night when they were having a special event and it was packed. I hear that normally it's not so busy. If you're staying near KLCC, check their web site to see if they've got a special DJ or after party, and if they don't, try someplace else.
Coliseum Cafe (KLCC-ish) - A LouieG favorite that is decidedly not for picking up. This is the closest thing to dive bar I've found in KL. A pint of Tiger is Rm 10, and that might be the best price in KL. Malaysian-style bar snacks are good too.
Bedroom (Bukit Bintang) - On the top floor of Pavilion mall. This place does good business, to the point it's standing room only some nights--perfect for approaching. It also has "models' night" every Thursday, which I figured was a transparent ploy to pack the place with dudes, but no, there actually were models, or women who could pass for it, and the guys at the door kept the guys/chixxx ratio pretty favorable. Worth checking out.
Lust (Bukit Bintang) - A contender for best party in KL right now. Dancing, electronic / hip-hop music, some unattached girls open to being approached. As far as I can see, not any different from the other big clubs mentioned here, but for some reason it's "the place to go." The dudes are noticeably drunker, the girls noticeably drunker and hotter. Even someone like me who's not into clubbing can have fun here.
Pulse (Bukit Bintang) - Between the cover and drink prices, I think this is the most expensive place on my list. You can get your money's worth, though. There are a lot of beautiful girls here, and the dance floor was at full capacity each time I went. Caveat emptor: I've only been on Friday nights. Weekdays, I doubt the crowd is as good, so I wouldn't bother unless you're bringing some friends and you're cool just hanging with them.
Mist/MILK - Not really close to either KLCC or Bukit Bintang. Get a cab; if you're staying in a hotel, have the concierge tell the cabbie where you're going. But a lot of cabbies will know Mist by name. It's the bigger, louder section of this club, which is far enough off the beaten path to have an almost exclusively local crowd. It's also got a big enough dance floor that there will be some girls by themselves. MILK, connected to Mist, is smaller and supposedly more upmarket. I haven't been in MILK except while incoherently drunk so I'll withhold comment.
Centro (KL Sentral) - Pronounced "chentro," fyi. Your cabbie will know where KL Sentral is. Tho I've never been, Naughty Nomad said he picked up here so I'm tossing it on the list.
If you wanna know where the party is at on a given night, check Timeout KL for its listing of special events and DJ sets. Timeout KL is a great resource--they'll give you a better idea where the locals are partying than any cabbie or concierge. And as noted above, the KL club scene changes really fast; I've only been around a year and already I've seen crowds grow and shrink at the same club. So beware this list is likely to be outdated in three months, max.
Even better than Timeout is straight asking some girls where they're going and adjusting your plans accordingly. You may already have some idea how this is done. If not, let me recommend...
LouieG's KL Game
Tried and true, my method is all about hitting the malls. This is why I recommend staying in Bukit Bintang. It has nightlife, but it's got even more malls: Pavilion, Farenheit, Times Square Plaza, and BB Plaza / Sungei Wang ("Soon-gay Wong") are my go-to's, ordered from most expensive to least.
Pavilion is full of premium, designer outlets (think Burberry, Salvatore Ferragamo, LouisV) and girls who shop at places like that. For a quick look at the talent KL has to offer, walk around Pavilion. If you don't like the girls here, then you don't like KL girls, but I got a feeling you're gonna like what you see. KLCC Suria is a similarly upscale mall with no less talent on display. The drawback of KLCC Suria and Pavilion is that the stores are super fucking expensive, so I notice a lot of girls are with their parents. Still, I've gotten dates from each.
For an even more target rich environment, head to Sungei Wang or Times Square. These are both absolutely sprawling malls lined with middling to cheap apparel and electronics stores, and they're packed with girls strolling in groups or alone, just passing the time. (Seriously, this is what girls here do: They go to the mall and walk around. So no worries about interrupting them, they probably weren't doing shit to begin with.) In Sungei Wang, you can look for girls anywhere. In Times Square, I recommend concentrating your efforts near the arcade, bowling alley, and amusement park.
When I'm meeting girls, I look for one of two promising signs: A girl all alone, or a group of four to six girls.
Girls alllllll alone
When approaching a girl by herself, my style is similar to what I use in the states, but I try to come off friendlier and more unimposing than I would in America. I tend to assume attraction exists immediately, which is safe to do if: you are exceptionally attractive and of any ethnic background, or if you've bathed recently and are white. As I mentioned in another thread, Malaysians have an odd fixation on Caucasians. They like Caucasian skin, obvs, but also Caucasian facial features, like nose shape and eyes. I've had at least 20 girls (most of them just friends) tell me they want their kids to have a nose shaped like mine. I never once heard anything like that before coming here. They also say I have beautiful eyes, to which I can only be like, "Lol, my eyes are brown." If you have blue or green eyes, girls may ask you to prove you aren't wearing contacts and--once they're satisfied your eye color is genuine--to impregnate them.
Point being, if you have difficulty opening a girl who's alone, the problem isn't your looks. It's more likely she's intimidated. Don't let her feel like that: Be low key but very, very friendly, and smile extra bright. Start with Roosh's elderly opener. You're a foreigner, so you can ask about anything. My approach is often to ask for directions around Sungei Wang or Times Square. These places have so many identical floors of identical stores, they may as well be mazes, so when the girls points you the way, ask her to walk with you and show you.
This is a really good test to separate those who are interested from those who are not, or who are too bowled over by your presence to spend one more minute with you. And that's big. Many Malaysian girls are just paralyzingly timid, and gaming those types is more work than I got time for. You want a girl with enough confidence to walk you to Tutti Frutti.
As you're walking, get her to talk a little bit, till you see she's no longer in shock from talking to a foreign guy, and then you take over. As in any approach, you should expect to do most of the talking, and in Malaysia you'll probably do even more than you're used to. Good topics include anything you've experienced in Malaysia. Ate a really hot chili at a food stall? Rode a Transnasional bus from KL to Penang, forgot your fleece, and froze your nuts off en route? Saw a chicken slaughtered at the wet market? Got a henna tattoo? (Don't actually do this, tell her it washed off.) These topics kill. You should be animated as you talk, to the point you feel goofy. If she senses you're trying to impress her, that's not game over. That's making her feel marginally less nervous.
Once you arrive wherever she's taking you, try to hook her in. Restaurants are good for this. She can help you pick something off the menu. I've also done DVD shops and then asked for recommendations on Malay / Korean / Bollywood movies. Don't let the conversation fixate on the food or whatever's in the store. Keep talking about yourself. Tell stories. Don't bring up politics, religion, or history, and definitely don't ask her questions about these topics. If she doesn't know the answer, she'll feel dumb and get self-conscious all over again.
Between walking to the store/restaurant, choosing what you want, and sometimes waiting for your food, you've probably already passed ten or fifteen minutes. At this point, I usually ask about her plans, get a phone number, and go on my way, as per Roosh's GALNUC. If she also orders something at the restaurant, you've got an instadate, but this isn't necessarily a good thing. Some girls will go this far with you to be polite, or because they're too nervous to excuse themselves (true anywhere I guess, but esp. in KL). These girls will eat claypot chicken with you all day, but they will never fuck you. I think it's better to part ways and start looking for another number, in case the first one flakes.
Of course, you can take that routine a hundred other directions. Ask a girl on the monorail to tell you when the train's reached your stop, and chat until you arrive. Get the girl working at an empty kopitiam to explain all the drinks to you, then segue into something more meaningful (this has gotten me a date and free coffee). Wherever you see a girl, engage her on some topic she can talk about easily till she starts to relax around you. The basic point is this: KL girls, far from being the delusionally confident egocases you find among western women, are mostly shy and uneasy around strange men. No worries, they're wonderful once they open up. To reach that point, you should focus on building comfort by appearing relatable and non-threatening. Turn off your "was that beta?" sensors and ditch your cocky/teasing routines until date two or three. That shit still works, but you're apt to deploy it too early if you're gaming urban America style.
Going for groups
The longer I'm in KL, the less I approach girls who are alone (and I spend two hours every week on cold, daytime approaches, so I get a lot of reps). They're too skittish, and you run into a lot that simply won't engage. Instead, my bread and butter nowadays is groups of girls. I find four to six girls together is ideal. Not sure if I'd have the balls to approach such large groups back in the states, but in KL it's much easier to open groups than singles, and here's why:
1) Strength in numbers - As mentioned above, the girls here are shy. Girls whose shyness makes them totally unreachable when they're alone become bolder among friends. When you're approaching girls by themselves, around half will be too shy to talk. In a group of six, I expect five will feel comfortable enough to talk with me.
2) Playing the odds - And some girls aren't shy at all, and you find these types way quicker when you're approaching a bunch of chicks at once. In a group of four, one usually is very outgoing and, with her friends at her back, will be immediately open and talkative. That's a hot lead; if you're into her figuratively, it'll be a lot less work getting into her literally.
3) Let them do the work - Be prepared for the girls to spend half the time you're around them talking amongst themselves in Malay or Mandarin. They're talking about you, of course. This is awesome now that I speak decent Malay; I get to eavesdrop on what they assume is a private conversation, and it's like I'm reading their thoughts. (Btw, my Chinese friends who aren't from Malaysia have mixed experiences with this. Usually people assume they know Mandarin, but sometimes they don't.) Even if you don't speak either language, you'll still get some very forward IOIs. About half the time, one of the girls will point at a friend and say to you, "She thinks you're handsome," "She so like you," "She like your nose." Great: target acquired. Or one girl will just come out and say she wants to be your girlfriend (unbelievable, but true) and the whole group will collapse into giggles--that means they're embarrassed, not that they're mocking you. None of this ever happens when you talk to a girl by herself.
Opening groups isn't much different than opening loners. Again, I head to Times Square or Sungei Wang (you find very few groups like this in Pavilion and Suria KLCC), choose a restaurant or DVD shop, and ask a group to show me the way. More than half the time, they say yes. At the shop, I get their help choosing something--maybe an Rm 5 DVD. If things are going smoothly, I ask where they're going next and come along. If they mention karaoke or bowling (both very popular), I say "that sounds cool, let's go do it now." Suddenly, you're hanging out with them for an hour--tho of course you shouldn't waste that time if they're not acting interested. If it's late evening, you can sometimes switch directly to hanging at a bar or club, but not usually, since the girls will want to go home and change before going out. More often, I get a phone number from the girl I talked to most, and see if she's doing something later. At this point, the game becomes pretty standard: You're trying to isolate her, and you may have to hang with her friends a bit more before that's possible.
When I'm with a group of girls, I talk a lot less and make my contributions cockier, funnier, and more animated. (Being goofy is funny across cultures; being wry and witty isn't.) I also start flirting earlier. This is a lot closer to American game, really. When you're pursuing a girl by herself, I take my homeland game from a 10 down to a 2 or 3. With groups, it's more like from 10 to 7.
The close
Don't let the tudung (head scarf) fool you. Malay girls, who are all at least culturally Muslim, still fuck. But most of them won't drink. Doing so is haram for them, and there are occasional raids on clubs and bars to arrest Malays who are drinking. The po won't bother anyone else, just the Malays. (Yeah, this is one fucked up country.) I never even ask if they drink, I just assume they don't and take them back to my place stone sober. Once there, I pull out the photos or put on a movie and ramp up the kino. That's usually date two, and sometimes that's all I need, but with Malay girls I'm willing to push sex back to date four or five.
A little more about Malays. Malay girls account for more than half my sample size. Beneath the tudung, most of them have gorgeous black hair, and they've got a lot more of the good curves than Chinese girls. They'll be more hesitant and more resistant than other KL girls, and you will be richly rewarded for navigating their shit tests. Several of the Malays I've been with rank among my all-time great lays, and both girls I'm seeing now are Malay. So yeah, I'm a fan.
With Chinese and Indian girls, I take them somewhere cheap and Chinese to get a little tipsy, then hit a club, have a few more drinks (try to go on ladies nights; she'll get free drinks and can slip some your way), and get her back to my place. Standard stuff.
Five More Things To Do In/Around KL When You're Not Chasing
1. Tour the National Mosque (Masjid Negara on any map). Architecturally interesting, but perhaps better as a window into the Malay mind. If your tour is like mine, it'll conclude with a short talk on Islam and how the Quran predicted shit like the double-helix structure of DNA, elliptical orbits of the planets, and World War II. There's a decent Malaysian history museum a short walk away.
2. Batu Caves. Outside KL, you can get there on the trains. This is an impressive Hindu (or maybe Buddhist, I should really know this shit...) site with several temples and a giant gold-colored statue of some god, which they built like six years ago. Whatever, it still looks cool.
3. Walk around Chinatown. Some temples, if you're into that, plus a central street (Petaling, I think) jammed with vendors selling all counterfeit everything.
4. Day trip to Melaka. About two hours away, and you can get there by bus. A strategic settlement on the Straits of Melaka that dates back to the 1400s, formerly controlled by every European country that every had its shit together, now Melaka's got old forts, a river tour, and some cool variations on standard Malaysian foods.
5. Eat. This is really where it's at for me. Get a hotel or condo with gym access, hit the treadmill in the morning, and then spend the day eating and gaming your way across KL.
Final Thoughts
I don't get why Malaysia isn't more of a tourist destination. It's sandwiched between Thailand and Indonesia, the east coast beaches are like something off a postcard and rival anything else you'll find in the region, and there are huge tracts of the country (tho not KL) where you can experience traditional Malay culture without leaving behind first world comforts. I assume it has to do with the booze being pricey and altogether unavailable in places, but that seems like a real thin reason to not visit a whole country.
As for the women, yeah, they take a little more patience, but they are beautiful and alluring and wonderfully feminine; good luck going back to American girls after spending any time over here. I'd encourage any of y'all to visit, and of course hit me up when you do.
TL;DR: If you're coming to this part of the world, don't sleep on KL. It's packed up with real right-look girls who love western guys, and they don't even need to be drunk to fuck you.
Aight, that's all I got to say about that. Thoughts, questions?
I've noticed Malaysia gets no respect on this forum. For all the guys here living or dreaming of living in southeast Asia, there are maybe three threads that cover KL at any length, and those are pretty superficial. We got dudes triangulating Bangkok pussy soi-by-soi with laser guided precision, we got the ins and outs of Hong Kong and Tokyo girls discussed in detail that is at once inspiring and god damn disgusting, and meanwhile millions of beautiful young girls go about their humdrum Malaysian lives completely unmolested by our game-running ways. I mean, I'm working it hard down here, but KL's a huge city and I'm only one man (with admittedly the genitals of three, but I digress). There's a lot of good women blossoming, getting hitched, getting fat, and going to waste without ever once getting properly negged.
It's a damn shame, and one I mean to rectify.
So here's a KL data sheet with the good, the bad, and how to avoid the uggoes.
About me: American, mid-twenties, living and working in KL for over a year now. I make decent money and have a nice-ish place but nothing inordinately grand. I'm white, in good shape, and (height trolls, lean forward) stand a scant five-foot-eight. Good confidence, average game. Your garden variety rooshdude.
And--sharing this not to brag, only as an endorsement of my adopted city--my count since arriving in KL is comfortably in double digits, which is multiple times better than any previous year of my life. That's despite arriving with no social group and almost no connections. Hence my enthusiasm for KL.
The KL Basics
I've been to every other major city in the region, and outside of Singapore, I don't think any is as liveable as KL. Singapore is nicer, KL's a lot cheaper, but not so cheap that you contend with widespread poverty like you would in Manila, Phnom Penh, or parts of Bangkok. There is a huge area of KL that appears almost first world, which (IMHO) makes it a better place to post up long term than those other three. Your mileage may vary.
Currency is the ringgit (Rm), 3.1 ringgits to the dollar.
Getting In
If you're coming to Malaysia, odds are you're on a plane landing at KLIA or perhaps LCCT, which are basically adjacent. There's a train, busses, and taxis to take you into the city. I prefer the express train, which is Rm 35. If you're saving cash (not a bad idea, given the price of booze, which more on that later) then take the Rm 8 bus which'll get you to KL Sentral, the city's big transportation hub, in about 45 minutes.
The visa situation is also good: Americans, and I assume Europeans too, get a free three-month visa upon entry. You don't even fill out a form. When your three months are up, take a weekend trip to Singapore, Thailand, or Indonesia, all of which are within easy and affordable reach on AirAsia/Tiger Air/SEAir, and you get three more months when you come back. Plenty of expats working here never get anything more than the default tourist visa.
People
Ethnically, Malaysia is half Malay (Malays are by law Muslim), then increasingly smaller parts Chinese, Indian (mostly Tamil, with those dinnerplate eyes), and Indigenous, plus a healthy sprinkling of Miscellaneous. When you get outside KL, there are areas that are predominately Malay or Chinese, but the city itself seems evenly split between the two. I don't know the demographics but there are plenty of both around for those hellbent on one or the other.
Language
There is effectively no language barrier in KL. Signage is in English nearly as often as Malay, and if you pick the average girl, odds are she'll have passable to good English.
Transportation
Having previously lived in NYC and Chicago, I think public transportation here is good-ish. The light rail and monorail cover most places you want to go and get you there for Rm 4 or less; print out a system map, put it in your wallet, and you'll never need to fuck with taxis and traffic.
About those: there are two types of taxis. Beat little red and white cars, which are more prevalent, and blue vans ("teksi eksekutif") which are more comfortable and more expensive. All are metered and marked prominently with signs saying "THIS IS A METERED TAXI HAGGLING PROHIBITED" which is how you know that the moment you hail one, the driver is gonna start quoting you some exhorbitant price that bears no relation to what your trip should actually cost. A cabbie was recently put in jail for charging a tourist couple (Danish, if memory serves) Rm 850 for a ride that should've been Rm 10. That's extreme but indicative of the cabbies' basic approach. Don't pay the trumped up price, it only encourages those fuckers. Demand the meter. If they won't use it, take the next cab, it'll be along shortly. If you use the meter, cabs are dirt cheap and usually competitive in price with mass transit when you have a group of three or more. But during the week, traffic is hell from 7 AM to at least 9 or 10 PM and this can make long rides much, much longer.
Accommodations
There are several big clusters of hotels and apartments throughout the city, but let me recommend you stay in Bukit Bintang or near KLCC (that's where the Petronas Towers are). Both are central, upscale though not necessarily expensive, and have easy access to transportation around and about. I'll say more on pick up below, but for now, let's consider your pickup style and time available. ONS, SNL: Easier in Bukit Bintang, but KL isn't a great ONS city. Second night lay: KLCC or Bukit Bintang. KLCC has more housing and a lot more good options on AirBnB. FWIW, I've chosen KLCC.
Getting Fresh
Temperatures are balls hot and the natives walk around in flannel and tight jeans anyway. So it goes in SE Asia. If you wanna pick up, bring dark wash jeans, Vans Authentic or the equivalent, and at minimum a t-shirt that fits properly. Supposing you didn't forget your white skin at home, a basic outfit like that will be enough to get you past any bouncer and give off a "stylish, very possibly paid" vibe to rando girls you meet. Can't speak to the experiences of non-white dudes, other than to say this is a race-obsessed (not to say racist) country and my suspicion is that clubs set the bar a notch or two higher for Asian guys.
Food
Last thing point before we get to game and nightlife: The food scene is incredible. To my mind, Malay, Chinese, and Indian are three of the world's great cuisines and all are present here in such variety and quantity that you'll never try it all. You're probably familiar with Chinese and Indian; Malay I'd situate between Indian and Thai. It's greasier and meatier than Chinese, Indian, or Thai, and comes complete with a huge range of semi-sweet dessert cakes ("kuih") that I'm gonna miss so hard once I leave this place.
A few of my favorites to sample while you're around: Stingray, a yam ring, and any kind of pork from a Chinese place; roti canai (a chewy flat bread), nasi lemak (the signature Malay dish but not available everywhere), satay, and kueh teow bandung from a Malay place; banana leaf pure vegetarian, barfi (dessert for people who like hyper-sweet stuff), and a pile of rice, chicken thighs and feet, salted hardboiled eggs, steamed/sauteed vegetables, and mixed sauces off the ubiquitous buffets at the Indian/"nasi kandar" places. Don't be afraid of street food. It's at least semi-regulated and has never given me trouble. At stalls and open air restaurants, expect to pay Rm 8 or less for food and drink; eat inside in aircon, you're looking at closer to Rm 20. Check Timeout KL if you're willing to throw down for some high-end variations on local fare.
Aight, enough of that. Let's talk about something that matters.
Nightlife
I write this from the perspective of a dude who doesn't go out for the sake of going out. I regard dressing up, overpaying for drinks, dancing to American Top 40 remixes, and making small talk in the bathroom line as bullshit I put up with to get laid, or to be around friends. None of that's my idea of a good time. So when I say KL's nightlife is alright, I mean there are enough venues with chicks dancing and drinking that you can find one party popping most nights, and more on the weekend. If that's your thing. And there are also plenty of places to get a quiet drink, but it's gonna cost you.
Doin Good Dranking
My own preference is to get some beers with friends, but however you do your drinking, in KL you have to start by adjusting your expectations. Anyone who's traveled to developing countries knows what an embarrassment of boozy riches we have in America and Europe; in KL, like most places in this part of the world, there are only a few options for beer. You can find Hoegaarden, Heineken, and Guinness. If you want something you never tried before, take a Tiger. It's bland, inoffensive, and way ahead of the competition. The other big Malaysian beers--Anchor, Carlsberg, Royal Stout--are fucking foul and this is coming from a guy who savors each sip of a Keystone Ice. Liquors range from upcycled battery acid to pretty pretty pretty good. Rm 40 for a fifth of rum is a reasonable price point if you wanna be assured you won't go blind.
Which raises another point: Rm 40, or about USD 13, for mediocre liquor isn't cheap, especially when you're paying $3 max for most meals. If you like drinking--well of course you like drinking, who the hell don't?--you will quickly find that KL has some of the priciest, if not the priciest, booze in the world. Seriously, in the world.
New York, London, Moscow, they all have places where you can blow half your paycheck on a bar tab, but they have even more hole in the wall alternatives where beers are a couple three bucks. Thanks to Malaysia's hefty sin tax, there is no cheap drinking in KL. Awful beer is never less than Rm 10 at a restaurant or bar. Good beer isn't available most places, and where it is, you should expect to pay Rm 20 at minimum. In the most popular bars and clubs, at the most poppingest times of night, drinks are going for Rm 30-50 and up. If you're pimping on a budget and alcohol is a big part of your game, this isn't the city for you.
If you're gonna drink anyway, your best options are pregaming and/or finding an open air Chinese restaurant. For pregaming, hit Cold Storage or an equivalent grocery store, head for the "haram" section (where they keep the vodka, spam, and other Muslim-world unmentionables) and stock up on the half liters of bottom shelf liquor. Rm 8-10, the absolute most booze for you ringgit anywhere in Malaysia. Mix and enjoy. The open air Chinese places sell liters of Tiger and Carlsberg for Rm 13-16. Look for these places in Chinatown, or even better, near Jalan Changkat in Bukit Bintang--that's right around the corner from a lot of nightlife.
Bars & Clubs
Expat central is the long row of bars on Jalan Changkat. Outside of white nationalism I see no reason to ever visit this place but it is convenient and, since much of the crowd is tourists, lively throughout the week. The best places are Finnegan's, The Social, and Havana. Havana has an upstairs dance floor, and if you appear foreign, they'll let you up to grind on other foreigners. Of the three, The Social has the most locals and overall the best crowd. It also has a cover on weekends.
You could conceivably pick up western-style hos by running western-style game on Jalan Changkat. Cellulite fetishists need look no further, in fact. But did you come to KL to get short ribs at TGI Fridays? To eat at KFC? Right, and neither should you fly halfway around the world to fuck a backtalking Connecticut girl fresh out of UPenn doing her operations rotation in Citibank's Malaysia office. Don't be one of the dudes who hits Changkat every single Friday and Saturday night. The chick in the cubicle next to mine has been boned by enough vacationing Aussies who never skyped her when their flights touched down in Bangkok the next day, even though they promised they would; the emotional wounds / vaginal chafing need time, time to heal. Look elsewhere.
For instance:
Zouk (KLCC) - This is the KL club. It's huge and gets some big names on the turntables. There will be local girls dancing unattended here, and they'll be getting a lot of attention. There's also a selection of higher-caliber expat girls than you find on Changkat. The "best party in KL" moves from club to club quicker than I can keep up with, but Zouk seems to remain, if not the best, then close. That's why I say this is your surest bet for a club pick up. Dudes under 23 aren't allowed, cover ranges from Rm 20 - 60.
Skybar (KLCC) - This is a beautiful space. When my friends and I are drunk and it's midnight and we can't figure what to do, we go here, order whatever's cheapest on the menu (I recommend the nachos), and chill out. It's on the top floor of a hotel and has great views. Good place to take a girl if you wanna win her heart by slanging some cash--which btw, not a bad approach, Beta Baller game is not dead in this corner of the world.
Butter Factory (KLCC) - You know how some clubs are unmarked and hard to find, to give them that air of exclusivity? This place takes the opposite approach. It's a huge black cube, labeled "The Butter Factory," standing in the middle of a centrally located but mostly undeveloped lot. Really new, so it attracts a lot of local/national celebs and girls curious to get a glimpse of them. As clubs of the moment go, I say Lust (reviewed below) is more fun, but this place has more girls and is probably better for meeting one.
The Pool (KLCC-ish) - If you're coming by train, this is closer to the Ampang Park stop than KLCC. Another cool space, better for when you've already got a girl than when you're looking. There's a pool, a view, expensive drinks, trendy music, all the upscale bar essentials. On nights when Pool has big parties, there are enough people standing around mingling that you can do some approaches. Otherwise, if you're in pick up mode, save the Rm 35 cover and go elsewhere.
STAGE (KLCC) - A new club near KLCC. I went one night when they were having a special event and it was packed. I hear that normally it's not so busy. If you're staying near KLCC, check their web site to see if they've got a special DJ or after party, and if they don't, try someplace else.
Coliseum Cafe (KLCC-ish) - A LouieG favorite that is decidedly not for picking up. This is the closest thing to dive bar I've found in KL. A pint of Tiger is Rm 10, and that might be the best price in KL. Malaysian-style bar snacks are good too.
Bedroom (Bukit Bintang) - On the top floor of Pavilion mall. This place does good business, to the point it's standing room only some nights--perfect for approaching. It also has "models' night" every Thursday, which I figured was a transparent ploy to pack the place with dudes, but no, there actually were models, or women who could pass for it, and the guys at the door kept the guys/chixxx ratio pretty favorable. Worth checking out.
Lust (Bukit Bintang) - A contender for best party in KL right now. Dancing, electronic / hip-hop music, some unattached girls open to being approached. As far as I can see, not any different from the other big clubs mentioned here, but for some reason it's "the place to go." The dudes are noticeably drunker, the girls noticeably drunker and hotter. Even someone like me who's not into clubbing can have fun here.
Pulse (Bukit Bintang) - Between the cover and drink prices, I think this is the most expensive place on my list. You can get your money's worth, though. There are a lot of beautiful girls here, and the dance floor was at full capacity each time I went. Caveat emptor: I've only been on Friday nights. Weekdays, I doubt the crowd is as good, so I wouldn't bother unless you're bringing some friends and you're cool just hanging with them.
Mist/MILK - Not really close to either KLCC or Bukit Bintang. Get a cab; if you're staying in a hotel, have the concierge tell the cabbie where you're going. But a lot of cabbies will know Mist by name. It's the bigger, louder section of this club, which is far enough off the beaten path to have an almost exclusively local crowd. It's also got a big enough dance floor that there will be some girls by themselves. MILK, connected to Mist, is smaller and supposedly more upmarket. I haven't been in MILK except while incoherently drunk so I'll withhold comment.
Centro (KL Sentral) - Pronounced "chentro," fyi. Your cabbie will know where KL Sentral is. Tho I've never been, Naughty Nomad said he picked up here so I'm tossing it on the list.
If you wanna know where the party is at on a given night, check Timeout KL for its listing of special events and DJ sets. Timeout KL is a great resource--they'll give you a better idea where the locals are partying than any cabbie or concierge. And as noted above, the KL club scene changes really fast; I've only been around a year and already I've seen crowds grow and shrink at the same club. So beware this list is likely to be outdated in three months, max.
Even better than Timeout is straight asking some girls where they're going and adjusting your plans accordingly. You may already have some idea how this is done. If not, let me recommend...
LouieG's KL Game
Tried and true, my method is all about hitting the malls. This is why I recommend staying in Bukit Bintang. It has nightlife, but it's got even more malls: Pavilion, Farenheit, Times Square Plaza, and BB Plaza / Sungei Wang ("Soon-gay Wong") are my go-to's, ordered from most expensive to least.
Pavilion is full of premium, designer outlets (think Burberry, Salvatore Ferragamo, LouisV) and girls who shop at places like that. For a quick look at the talent KL has to offer, walk around Pavilion. If you don't like the girls here, then you don't like KL girls, but I got a feeling you're gonna like what you see. KLCC Suria is a similarly upscale mall with no less talent on display. The drawback of KLCC Suria and Pavilion is that the stores are super fucking expensive, so I notice a lot of girls are with their parents. Still, I've gotten dates from each.
For an even more target rich environment, head to Sungei Wang or Times Square. These are both absolutely sprawling malls lined with middling to cheap apparel and electronics stores, and they're packed with girls strolling in groups or alone, just passing the time. (Seriously, this is what girls here do: They go to the mall and walk around. So no worries about interrupting them, they probably weren't doing shit to begin with.) In Sungei Wang, you can look for girls anywhere. In Times Square, I recommend concentrating your efforts near the arcade, bowling alley, and amusement park.
When I'm meeting girls, I look for one of two promising signs: A girl all alone, or a group of four to six girls.
Girls alllllll alone
When approaching a girl by herself, my style is similar to what I use in the states, but I try to come off friendlier and more unimposing than I would in America. I tend to assume attraction exists immediately, which is safe to do if: you are exceptionally attractive and of any ethnic background, or if you've bathed recently and are white. As I mentioned in another thread, Malaysians have an odd fixation on Caucasians. They like Caucasian skin, obvs, but also Caucasian facial features, like nose shape and eyes. I've had at least 20 girls (most of them just friends) tell me they want their kids to have a nose shaped like mine. I never once heard anything like that before coming here. They also say I have beautiful eyes, to which I can only be like, "Lol, my eyes are brown." If you have blue or green eyes, girls may ask you to prove you aren't wearing contacts and--once they're satisfied your eye color is genuine--to impregnate them.
Point being, if you have difficulty opening a girl who's alone, the problem isn't your looks. It's more likely she's intimidated. Don't let her feel like that: Be low key but very, very friendly, and smile extra bright. Start with Roosh's elderly opener. You're a foreigner, so you can ask about anything. My approach is often to ask for directions around Sungei Wang or Times Square. These places have so many identical floors of identical stores, they may as well be mazes, so when the girls points you the way, ask her to walk with you and show you.
This is a really good test to separate those who are interested from those who are not, or who are too bowled over by your presence to spend one more minute with you. And that's big. Many Malaysian girls are just paralyzingly timid, and gaming those types is more work than I got time for. You want a girl with enough confidence to walk you to Tutti Frutti.
As you're walking, get her to talk a little bit, till you see she's no longer in shock from talking to a foreign guy, and then you take over. As in any approach, you should expect to do most of the talking, and in Malaysia you'll probably do even more than you're used to. Good topics include anything you've experienced in Malaysia. Ate a really hot chili at a food stall? Rode a Transnasional bus from KL to Penang, forgot your fleece, and froze your nuts off en route? Saw a chicken slaughtered at the wet market? Got a henna tattoo? (Don't actually do this, tell her it washed off.) These topics kill. You should be animated as you talk, to the point you feel goofy. If she senses you're trying to impress her, that's not game over. That's making her feel marginally less nervous.
Once you arrive wherever she's taking you, try to hook her in. Restaurants are good for this. She can help you pick something off the menu. I've also done DVD shops and then asked for recommendations on Malay / Korean / Bollywood movies. Don't let the conversation fixate on the food or whatever's in the store. Keep talking about yourself. Tell stories. Don't bring up politics, religion, or history, and definitely don't ask her questions about these topics. If she doesn't know the answer, she'll feel dumb and get self-conscious all over again.
Between walking to the store/restaurant, choosing what you want, and sometimes waiting for your food, you've probably already passed ten or fifteen minutes. At this point, I usually ask about her plans, get a phone number, and go on my way, as per Roosh's GALNUC. If she also orders something at the restaurant, you've got an instadate, but this isn't necessarily a good thing. Some girls will go this far with you to be polite, or because they're too nervous to excuse themselves (true anywhere I guess, but esp. in KL). These girls will eat claypot chicken with you all day, but they will never fuck you. I think it's better to part ways and start looking for another number, in case the first one flakes.
Of course, you can take that routine a hundred other directions. Ask a girl on the monorail to tell you when the train's reached your stop, and chat until you arrive. Get the girl working at an empty kopitiam to explain all the drinks to you, then segue into something more meaningful (this has gotten me a date and free coffee). Wherever you see a girl, engage her on some topic she can talk about easily till she starts to relax around you. The basic point is this: KL girls, far from being the delusionally confident egocases you find among western women, are mostly shy and uneasy around strange men. No worries, they're wonderful once they open up. To reach that point, you should focus on building comfort by appearing relatable and non-threatening. Turn off your "was that beta?" sensors and ditch your cocky/teasing routines until date two or three. That shit still works, but you're apt to deploy it too early if you're gaming urban America style.
Going for groups
The longer I'm in KL, the less I approach girls who are alone (and I spend two hours every week on cold, daytime approaches, so I get a lot of reps). They're too skittish, and you run into a lot that simply won't engage. Instead, my bread and butter nowadays is groups of girls. I find four to six girls together is ideal. Not sure if I'd have the balls to approach such large groups back in the states, but in KL it's much easier to open groups than singles, and here's why:
1) Strength in numbers - As mentioned above, the girls here are shy. Girls whose shyness makes them totally unreachable when they're alone become bolder among friends. When you're approaching girls by themselves, around half will be too shy to talk. In a group of six, I expect five will feel comfortable enough to talk with me.
2) Playing the odds - And some girls aren't shy at all, and you find these types way quicker when you're approaching a bunch of chicks at once. In a group of four, one usually is very outgoing and, with her friends at her back, will be immediately open and talkative. That's a hot lead; if you're into her figuratively, it'll be a lot less work getting into her literally.
3) Let them do the work - Be prepared for the girls to spend half the time you're around them talking amongst themselves in Malay or Mandarin. They're talking about you, of course. This is awesome now that I speak decent Malay; I get to eavesdrop on what they assume is a private conversation, and it's like I'm reading their thoughts. (Btw, my Chinese friends who aren't from Malaysia have mixed experiences with this. Usually people assume they know Mandarin, but sometimes they don't.) Even if you don't speak either language, you'll still get some very forward IOIs. About half the time, one of the girls will point at a friend and say to you, "She thinks you're handsome," "She so like you," "She like your nose." Great: target acquired. Or one girl will just come out and say she wants to be your girlfriend (unbelievable, but true) and the whole group will collapse into giggles--that means they're embarrassed, not that they're mocking you. None of this ever happens when you talk to a girl by herself.
Opening groups isn't much different than opening loners. Again, I head to Times Square or Sungei Wang (you find very few groups like this in Pavilion and Suria KLCC), choose a restaurant or DVD shop, and ask a group to show me the way. More than half the time, they say yes. At the shop, I get their help choosing something--maybe an Rm 5 DVD. If things are going smoothly, I ask where they're going next and come along. If they mention karaoke or bowling (both very popular), I say "that sounds cool, let's go do it now." Suddenly, you're hanging out with them for an hour--tho of course you shouldn't waste that time if they're not acting interested. If it's late evening, you can sometimes switch directly to hanging at a bar or club, but not usually, since the girls will want to go home and change before going out. More often, I get a phone number from the girl I talked to most, and see if she's doing something later. At this point, the game becomes pretty standard: You're trying to isolate her, and you may have to hang with her friends a bit more before that's possible.
When I'm with a group of girls, I talk a lot less and make my contributions cockier, funnier, and more animated. (Being goofy is funny across cultures; being wry and witty isn't.) I also start flirting earlier. This is a lot closer to American game, really. When you're pursuing a girl by herself, I take my homeland game from a 10 down to a 2 or 3. With groups, it's more like from 10 to 7.
The close
Don't let the tudung (head scarf) fool you. Malay girls, who are all at least culturally Muslim, still fuck. But most of them won't drink. Doing so is haram for them, and there are occasional raids on clubs and bars to arrest Malays who are drinking. The po won't bother anyone else, just the Malays. (Yeah, this is one fucked up country.) I never even ask if they drink, I just assume they don't and take them back to my place stone sober. Once there, I pull out the photos or put on a movie and ramp up the kino. That's usually date two, and sometimes that's all I need, but with Malay girls I'm willing to push sex back to date four or five.
A little more about Malays. Malay girls account for more than half my sample size. Beneath the tudung, most of them have gorgeous black hair, and they've got a lot more of the good curves than Chinese girls. They'll be more hesitant and more resistant than other KL girls, and you will be richly rewarded for navigating their shit tests. Several of the Malays I've been with rank among my all-time great lays, and both girls I'm seeing now are Malay. So yeah, I'm a fan.
With Chinese and Indian girls, I take them somewhere cheap and Chinese to get a little tipsy, then hit a club, have a few more drinks (try to go on ladies nights; she'll get free drinks and can slip some your way), and get her back to my place. Standard stuff.
Five More Things To Do In/Around KL When You're Not Chasing
1. Tour the National Mosque (Masjid Negara on any map). Architecturally interesting, but perhaps better as a window into the Malay mind. If your tour is like mine, it'll conclude with a short talk on Islam and how the Quran predicted shit like the double-helix structure of DNA, elliptical orbits of the planets, and World War II. There's a decent Malaysian history museum a short walk away.
2. Batu Caves. Outside KL, you can get there on the trains. This is an impressive Hindu (or maybe Buddhist, I should really know this shit...) site with several temples and a giant gold-colored statue of some god, which they built like six years ago. Whatever, it still looks cool.
3. Walk around Chinatown. Some temples, if you're into that, plus a central street (Petaling, I think) jammed with vendors selling all counterfeit everything.
4. Day trip to Melaka. About two hours away, and you can get there by bus. A strategic settlement on the Straits of Melaka that dates back to the 1400s, formerly controlled by every European country that every had its shit together, now Melaka's got old forts, a river tour, and some cool variations on standard Malaysian foods.
5. Eat. This is really where it's at for me. Get a hotel or condo with gym access, hit the treadmill in the morning, and then spend the day eating and gaming your way across KL.
Final Thoughts
I don't get why Malaysia isn't more of a tourist destination. It's sandwiched between Thailand and Indonesia, the east coast beaches are like something off a postcard and rival anything else you'll find in the region, and there are huge tracts of the country (tho not KL) where you can experience traditional Malay culture without leaving behind first world comforts. I assume it has to do with the booze being pricey and altogether unavailable in places, but that seems like a real thin reason to not visit a whole country.
As for the women, yeah, they take a little more patience, but they are beautiful and alluring and wonderfully feminine; good luck going back to American girls after spending any time over here. I'd encourage any of y'all to visit, and of course hit me up when you do.
TL;DR: If you're coming to this part of the world, don't sleep on KL. It's packed up with real right-look girls who love western guys, and they don't even need to be drunk to fuck you.
Aight, that's all I got to say about that. Thoughts, questions?