Quote: (09-14-2012 12:10 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:
Quote: (09-12-2012 03:34 PM)Deif Wrote:
I want to put this out here so that people can get a perspective of why the insanity over a video:
The US is perceived in the region as a murderous invader. You know the hatred with which Nazi Germany is treated in the West? Well, multiply that by two and you have the perception of the United States amongst people in the Mideast. It is viewed as the type of reaver of souls that is merciless and haphazard with the way it slaughters hundreds of thousands and destroys nations. It's a hated entity, and I feel like the average US citizen possesses a tragically wide gulf of disconnect between how they view their own country and how it's viewed abroad. People don't forget about what the US has done in its war on Iraq and its support of the oppressive regimes in the region.
The dogmatic enemies of US policy are hyper-sensitive towards the attacks leveled against them, both physically and in the media. Religious people, in general, are insecure in the face of criticism because their ideologies are bullshit across the board. Propaganda like the video that set the violence off is perceived as ideological cover for the US to wage even more wars and pursue its imperialist policies further.
Also, the attack on the US consulate was a calculated political maneuver on the part of Islamists in Libya. Given the void of power left by Gaddafi, this attack on a common enemy to virtually all Libyans, regardless of ideology, allows the Islamists to assume the role as vanguard of a struggle against the United States and all the negative imagery that tags along with America. This will help them establish the military cover needed to create the Islamic emirate of Libya, or whatever they choose to call the entity they forge with the barrels of their weapons.
Americans shouldn't be encouraging an attack on Libya. You, the average citizen, has nothing to gain from siphoning billions of taxpayer dollars to the government (most of which will be used for corrupt purposes), just so that you can sate your petty nationalistic fervor that creates nothing but a thinner wallet. Don't add fuel to the fire in a war between Western Imperialists and Arab Islamists. You don't benefit from it in any way, and all it does is hurt you and other people around the world.
I am sorry, the people who planned and carried out these attacks are THUGGISH EVIL MOTHERFUCKERS.
But in one sense, you are right. It is hopeless to convince them, as the idiot Barack Obama tried to do, that the USA is NOT some sort of evil empire. They believe in their souls. Of course, they also believe in their souls that everyone should be like them, think like them, and act like them.
We are at war with these people, and we should take every opportunity to assasinate them, interrogate them, and/or take high powered precision weapons and splatter them all over the desert like road kill and leave everyone else alone. Find out who these leaders are and give them acute lead poisoning.
We can do this quite quietly and quite effectively.
The United States is an "evil empire" on any moral metric. The reason why it's so easy to incite violence against America in the region is because, whether you want to admit it or not, the people doing so have justice on their side.
You would have thought Americans would realize it by now: dudes in Iraq were throwing themselves by the thousand into the maw of the American war machine to put an end to the occupation there. If men believe they are fighting for a just and moral cause, they will be far more willing to sacrifice life and limb. This is the principle reason why occupying and colonial powers never win in the end. The willpower of the occupied eventually overcomes the technological advantages of the imperial power.
In the case of Libya, you have the Islamists who attacked the consulate there because they were convinced that a show of force against the nation's most hated adversary would bolster the legitimacy of their arms and allow them to extend guardianship over the populace. That guardianship will be the premise for the establishment of an Islamic state there, and the men with the guns will reap all the benefits of control of that state.