Quote: (08-29-2012 11:53 AM)polymath Wrote:
Quote: (08-29-2012 09:24 AM)j r Wrote:
Quote: (08-29-2012 09:04 AM)polymath Wrote:
Quote: (08-29-2012 07:33 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:
He made the presents himself without being asked for it.It is the common turkish,arab method they give you presents and expect sth in exchange.The girl reacted in typical western mode and gave nothing.The Indian regarded it as ingratitude and killed her(crimes of passion).One of the reasons many western women refuse to get involved with Arab etc men.They do not know what will happen to them when they break up.Many middle easterners,Indians want to take them to the grave for eternal love.
We see here the much better commodity a Mediterranean guy presents who is never so stupid to kill himself over a woman.(women usually killed themselves over Romeo"s).
1. Indian culture is not the same as Arab or Turkish culture. The two regions aren't even adjacent on the map, let alone the differences between Arab and Turkish culture.
2. No culture has a monopoly on gift-giving. Imagine how many free dinners, drinks, movie tickets, dresses, pairs of shoes, etc are given to women every day in the USA.
Kamaki makes an overly broad statement, but his point has validity. There are cultures where women choose men in the context of family and community. In those cultures being a good provider can attract quality women. In the west, women, especially young, hot woman, no longer choose men like that. They're free to chase what attracts them.
Most men who play the sugar daddy in the west understand what the deal is and choose to do it anyway. It is likely that this guy had no idea that he was being played.
It's not broad so much as wrong.
I want to ask your opinion.... do you think that what you have to do in order to get a girl in an Arab country is to buy her some jewelry?
The sugar daddy role exists in many cultures. Honestly, oversimplifying cultures doesn't really serve a purpose. Obviously this dude didn't get the picture, but it's not because of Indian culture. And definitely not because of Arab or Turkish culture.
To my knowledge, it's not normal to kill a girl just because she doesn't want a relationship out of wedlock.
This was not a sugar daddy arrangement.The guy intended to marry the girl.Probably in this culture they give gifts and if the girl accepts she is somehow supposed to accept the offer.This is a common mistake Turks make as well.That a western girl accepts your girfts which she did not ask for in first place does not mean anything.she is not going to offer anything in exchange.
Sugar daddy arrangements in the West are largely discreet while Afghanis etc add to it an obligatory sense.I mean the girl is going to face repercussions if she changes mind or gets the gifts without reciprocation.How to explain that?Anyway this especially was not a case of failed sponsoring.
Also the real question is not ''what you have to do in Arab country is to buy for the girl some jewelry'' but íf you buy a girl in Arab country some jewelry is she obliged to give sth in exchange?The answer is yes.