Quote: (09-02-2014 10:20 AM)MidWest Wrote:
That's only like two or three countries though.
It's a lot more than 3 countries. Socialism runs deep in LA.
Quote: (09-02-2014 10:20 AM)MidWest Wrote:
Take Mexico for example, our neighbor. Mexico is an example of an American conservative utopia. Mexico has little to no social programs whatsoever, they rely heavily on the free market, and monopolize all big corporations (one or 2 major banks, one major gas company, one major telephone company, etc...) Some are state owned but the majority of corporations rule in Mexico, the environment allowed Carlos Slim to become the world's richest man in the world, which is quite sad honestly, especially coming from a developing country like Mexico.
This is the very definition of socialist state. This is the very mechanism that allowed one man be become so rich at expense of others. That is not capitalism.
Quote: (09-02-2014 10:20 AM)MidWest Wrote:
Contrast that to the U.S. where you have a huge welfare program, social security, Obamacare, Medicaid, Medicare, financial aid grants, TANF, SCHIP, free lunch at school, etc... If the Mexican government for one minute tries to implement social programs, guys like Carlos Slim will call socialism and throw fits.
Mexico doesn't have none of this, if you are poor and sick, you basically die, if you are poor and hungry tough luck, you're on your own. Children in school have to buy their own lunch. They really take the meaning of "pick yourself up by your own boot straps" like American conservatives love to say literal.
The USA is way more liberal than many countries in LA.
They don't have social programs? Just because they don't have the same kind of programs does not make them not socialist. They have a lot of subsidies, for example.
USSR also did not have welfare system. It was also illegal to be unemployed. Does that make USSR not socialist?
All valid points regarding US though. We've been electing progressives since Wilson. Damn, that's over a hundred years...