As Italian (from the deep south), let me tell you a little story about italian players:
first of all there is a huge difference from the people living in the south and those living in the north (which is way richer). It is generally accepted that in Italy the girls from the south are somewhat more conservative and hard targets than those living in the north (some says northen-italian girls are rich and slutty), so most of my fellow southern Italians are driven by need to develop some better game strategy even to get some basic lay compared to those in the north.
I know personally guys from the south that moved to the north and started scoring lots more than when they were at home. The life in the northern part of Italy is way more cosmoplitan and less social-circle-based than in my place, hence you don't actually need good game to get laid sufficently.
Northen Italians are for many aspects colder and similar to central europeans. The last real natural players in Italy very very often come from the south, especially places like Neaples, Sicily, Calabria and so on, where life can be kind of "complicated" and you need some very good survival skills just to get by.
I am no big player whatsoever, but I do have the example of these two guys working with me in Slovakia and they are un-fuckin-believable. First of all I have to make clear that they are both short, even shorter than me (we are talking 5'6" or less!), and in a country like Slovakia that's often a big minus.
The first one is an older 65yo guy from a southern region of Italy (Calabria). He is short, not good looking, doesn't have a lot of money, but the man is a fucking approach machine. He's always stilish (jacket with handerchief in his pocket, well groomed, nice shoes etc...) and he consistently approaches every single women within his range of action (young, old, fat, thin, he just stays away from the real pigs), all day long. He has somehow managed to completely eradicate approach anxiety, seeing him at work sometimes is unbelievable. His game is somewhat arguable if you are even 30 or 40, but in his age range, approching with a smile and complimenting the women (rigorously in italian) and playing the "old Italian gentlemen" works. On top of that this guy dances like a devil and I have seen him even trying to excalate on waaaaay younger women. They let him do his thing because he dances well and he looks old and not too dangerous, but he definitely has a killer instinct. At the end of the day, with all the limits from being 65yo, not rich, tall or good looking, this guy is consistently bedding 40-50yo women (so some 20 years younger than him) and on top of that he is always living with some different woman (at her place) rotating every year or so. This is probably what the "old Italian school" was, and where Italians got the player reputation in the past. This kind of reputation is mostly gone here for the new generations, sad but true.
This other guy is in his late 20's. He's working as a peddler in my food retail company. Short, not particularly good looking, and no particular language skills. I have seen him pulling incredible stuff in some expos and events we worked. I have seen him consistently number "closing" girls in minutes, as they just pass by our stands. He is an incredible salesman and due to his particular job he doesn't know approach anxiety too, he just keeps speaking italian to the girls, puts in a few words of slovak, german and english, and apparently gets consistently laid. I think this guys secret is his face, he would tell the worse shit in italian to the girls always with an impertinent cocky smile, and they would just laugh and hand him over their contacts dating him after work... (he actually hands them a notepad and a pen and show them to write their number, it just works!)
Funny note: sometimes the girls did spoke italian and understood all the shit he tells them (do you want to fuck? what a sweet ass! Mamma mia, some stuff I would do to you! and so on...) but he is still doing this... rather successfully too. Somebody could say that this is no game, but it works really great for this guy! He's just a shameless cocky Italian matherfucker and women love that.
What happens now in Italy is that most of the guys for a series of social and economic reason became much different from what we used to be in the past. They live with their parents, they have no job or shitty part-time jobs, they don't want to travel to find a better life, no interest in studying other tongues or in anything that could better their lifes... it's just laziness all the way. Becoming a real player is a difficult path of self improvement and is not compatible with being a lazy fuck! The two guys I mentioned above have travelled extensively trying to make a better living and even now are living abroad far from family and friends trying to build something, they don't even know that game is a thing, but they are getting premium game skills from their strong survival instinct and drive for more life. In the past many Italians had to be creative, innovate and travel too, just to survive and maybe improve their lifes, this is when we got the good name. What happens to Italian playership now is that this last generation (and my heart is in pain as I say this) is mostly lazy spoiled fucks! I know many guys that are in their middle 30's, no job, no gf, maybe a notch count of 0 to 5 in their whole life. Then one day they buy a discount ryanair ticket to Bratislava for the weekend and they think they are going to score easy because they are italians in eastern europe, because their basic knoweldge of the world is stuck somewhere in the 80's and they still think they are coming to Czechoslovakia... then they just end up being ripped-off in strip clubs. If you judge Italian players based on these individuals, then you are damn right in saying italians are bad players!
Look how some older 50-60yo well-travelled italian rolls, or the very few young ones that are living abroad and travelling consistently (not talking about myself in particular here!) and you will see the real italian players, or what is left of them!
Didn't mean to make the thread all about italians, every country has their top players, but I think it was the case to make this point clear.
first of all there is a huge difference from the people living in the south and those living in the north (which is way richer). It is generally accepted that in Italy the girls from the south are somewhat more conservative and hard targets than those living in the north (some says northen-italian girls are rich and slutty), so most of my fellow southern Italians are driven by need to develop some better game strategy even to get some basic lay compared to those in the north.
I know personally guys from the south that moved to the north and started scoring lots more than when they were at home. The life in the northern part of Italy is way more cosmoplitan and less social-circle-based than in my place, hence you don't actually need good game to get laid sufficently.
Northen Italians are for many aspects colder and similar to central europeans. The last real natural players in Italy very very often come from the south, especially places like Neaples, Sicily, Calabria and so on, where life can be kind of "complicated" and you need some very good survival skills just to get by.
I am no big player whatsoever, but I do have the example of these two guys working with me in Slovakia and they are un-fuckin-believable. First of all I have to make clear that they are both short, even shorter than me (we are talking 5'6" or less!), and in a country like Slovakia that's often a big minus.
The first one is an older 65yo guy from a southern region of Italy (Calabria). He is short, not good looking, doesn't have a lot of money, but the man is a fucking approach machine. He's always stilish (jacket with handerchief in his pocket, well groomed, nice shoes etc...) and he consistently approaches every single women within his range of action (young, old, fat, thin, he just stays away from the real pigs), all day long. He has somehow managed to completely eradicate approach anxiety, seeing him at work sometimes is unbelievable. His game is somewhat arguable if you are even 30 or 40, but in his age range, approching with a smile and complimenting the women (rigorously in italian) and playing the "old Italian gentlemen" works. On top of that this guy dances like a devil and I have seen him even trying to excalate on waaaaay younger women. They let him do his thing because he dances well and he looks old and not too dangerous, but he definitely has a killer instinct. At the end of the day, with all the limits from being 65yo, not rich, tall or good looking, this guy is consistently bedding 40-50yo women (so some 20 years younger than him) and on top of that he is always living with some different woman (at her place) rotating every year or so. This is probably what the "old Italian school" was, and where Italians got the player reputation in the past. This kind of reputation is mostly gone here for the new generations, sad but true.
This other guy is in his late 20's. He's working as a peddler in my food retail company. Short, not particularly good looking, and no particular language skills. I have seen him pulling incredible stuff in some expos and events we worked. I have seen him consistently number "closing" girls in minutes, as they just pass by our stands. He is an incredible salesman and due to his particular job he doesn't know approach anxiety too, he just keeps speaking italian to the girls, puts in a few words of slovak, german and english, and apparently gets consistently laid. I think this guys secret is his face, he would tell the worse shit in italian to the girls always with an impertinent cocky smile, and they would just laugh and hand him over their contacts dating him after work... (he actually hands them a notepad and a pen and show them to write their number, it just works!)
Funny note: sometimes the girls did spoke italian and understood all the shit he tells them (do you want to fuck? what a sweet ass! Mamma mia, some stuff I would do to you! and so on...) but he is still doing this... rather successfully too. Somebody could say that this is no game, but it works really great for this guy! He's just a shameless cocky Italian matherfucker and women love that.
What happens now in Italy is that most of the guys for a series of social and economic reason became much different from what we used to be in the past. They live with their parents, they have no job or shitty part-time jobs, they don't want to travel to find a better life, no interest in studying other tongues or in anything that could better their lifes... it's just laziness all the way. Becoming a real player is a difficult path of self improvement and is not compatible with being a lazy fuck! The two guys I mentioned above have travelled extensively trying to make a better living and even now are living abroad far from family and friends trying to build something, they don't even know that game is a thing, but they are getting premium game skills from their strong survival instinct and drive for more life. In the past many Italians had to be creative, innovate and travel too, just to survive and maybe improve their lifes, this is when we got the good name. What happens to Italian playership now is that this last generation (and my heart is in pain as I say this) is mostly lazy spoiled fucks! I know many guys that are in their middle 30's, no job, no gf, maybe a notch count of 0 to 5 in their whole life. Then one day they buy a discount ryanair ticket to Bratislava for the weekend and they think they are going to score easy because they are italians in eastern europe, because their basic knoweldge of the world is stuck somewhere in the 80's and they still think they are coming to Czechoslovakia... then they just end up being ripped-off in strip clubs. If you judge Italian players based on these individuals, then you are damn right in saying italians are bad players!
Look how some older 50-60yo well-travelled italian rolls, or the very few young ones that are living abroad and travelling consistently (not talking about myself in particular here!) and you will see the real italian players, or what is left of them!
Didn't mean to make the thread all about italians, every country has their top players, but I think it was the case to make this point clear.