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(04-21-2019 03:55 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(04-21-2019 03:33 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(04-21-2019 10:47 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(04-21-2019 07:32 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Republican party media (Fox Breitbart etc) has a constant flow of anti-TSA stories because TSA are unionized government employees, and the Republicans want them privatized for profit for their cronies and non-union.

I can tell you that you are dead wrong on this point. Civil libertarians on the right oppose the TSA because of their politically-correct policies. Instead of using the best possible proven-to-work policies (e.g., those used in Israel) by actually profiling and targeting those people most likely to engage in terrorist activity, the TSA would rather use policies that promote the sexual assault of grandmothers and that terrify toddlers.

It is the utter stupidity and political correctness of these policies, which results in the loss of basic human dignity for the many (when the problems are caused by the few), that rightly offends civil libertarians on the right. Republicans want these agents privatized so that agents who now have full government immunity can be held accountable for their criminal actions, which would also result in far better training for private agents (because of the legal liability involved).

This is a variant of the "some people think they should be exempt" objection to the TSA I talked about.

Have you ever been through Israeli airport security? I have. It sucks.

It takes five times as long as a TSA check. Basically, waiting in line for at least two hours to be interviewed by teams of two at least three times, and having to present all baggage, including checked baggage, to be searched by hand. I got shifted to a side room for another interview. That was in transit, I wasn't even trying to enter the country. I can't even remember if I had to go through a metal detector or got frisked, but that would be the least intrusive thing about the process.

And I was a white middle aged guy who was a US government contractor with a security clearance. I know three military / ex-military US government people who had the same experience, being detained, interviewed again and again, searched. One guy, a lieutenant in the US Navy, Naval Academy grad, again a white guy, almost missed his onward flight, had to pull his military ID out and ask "who the fuck do you think I am?" They were taking apart his luggage, running rods through the handles.

As Kona said:

(04-21-2019 06:03 AM)Kona Wrote:  

In my Navy days, I had to take a flight that stopped over in the motherland. We had been spreading the globalist agenda, and I even had the under-orders passport. The folks at Tel Aviv airport did not fuck around. Those Jews had fingers on triggers.

The Israeli method is not easier and more respectful at all. What you call "civil libertarians on the right" against "political correctness" really want is for all Muslims to get reamed out, which the Israelis do because, beyond suspicion, they want to make all the Arabs in Israel and territories miserable.

Beyond that, how would you "profile" people and who could you trust? Do you gather more data on everyone, like read their emails and social media? Does Tim McVeigh get a pass, non-Muslim honorably discharged veteran? How about Steven Paddock? The USA has a lot of sickos who would exploit any vulnerability, they could put explosives on granny or little Johnny.

That's why no other country I know of uses the same method as the Israelis. Other countries pretty much use the same procedures as the TSA, which takes 5-30 minutes, depending on the line.

And, government contractors are not exempt from civil rights laws as agents of the government. They can't just ream the Muslims and let others stroll by.

People who say that shit are just parroting right-wing media, have no experience of Israeli security.

The real reason the Republicans hate the TSA is that (1) they're unionized government employees, and thus represent a source of union contributions to the Democrats, and (2) their cronies can't convert the full time jobs with health benefits that the TSA has to two part-time jobs with no benefits, and pocket the margin.

What you just described, in Israel, makes perfect sense: Israel respects its own citizens (at least those unlikely to be terrorists) -- and it more intensively interviews everyone else. That is exactly how it should be.

Quote:

The visitors noted the main difference between the two countries - Israeli security openly employs profiling, singling out passengers for stricter screening based on their appearance or ethnic group, a practice that is banned in the U.S.

Since profiling is employed, stricter security checks are not random. Instead, Israeli citizens are passed through with minimal questioning, unless they are Israeli Arabs, who are often subjected to humiliating body searches and interrogation. The security process has triggered many complaints, but in a nation where security is the top priority, little has been done to ease the checks.

Foreigners almost automatically receive closer scrutiny, and racial or other types of profiling can trigger extensive questioning and searching.

The Israelis believe this is one of the keys to their success, and the airport officials from the U.S. could only speculate about how it would affect their work.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/18559837/ns/tr...s-studied/


Is there any basis whatsoever for fondling grandmothers and terrifying toddlers other than posturing at the alter of political correctness? We all know the only groups who would place explosives on granny or little Johnny. They are exactly the groups who should be targeted for extra scrutiny.

The respect for its own citizens should be a nation's first priority. Everyone else should come as a second priority. This is fundamentally the same PC BS that has dogged the immigration debate in the United States. Egalitarianism, the doctrine that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities (including illegal immigrants and guests to the country), is just another form of soft socialism that has ruined the West.

So it's more about wanting to ream out Arabs than anything else.

I really wasn't paying close attention to who else was in my long lines at Ben Gurion Airport, but I don't think they were all foreigners and Arabs.

So Tim McVeigh and Steven Paddock would get a pass while Ilhan Omar got raped with rubber gloves? I don't think that would work out in the long run.

You really couldn't trust US citizens, including and specifically white males 16 - 70, given the incidence of mass shootings among that demographic. Any slack security would be noticed and eventually exploited by the Sicko of the Week.

Thanks, I'll take my five minute TSA, belts off, shoes off, laptop out, hands-up scan process over letting potentially deranged people like me walk through while they ream out and grill Mohammed the taxi driver for three hours.