Quote: (05-14-2017 06:15 AM)Dantes Wrote:
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I've already had several girls request to bring their friends along on dates. In my book this is a no: but should I be open minded? Is this a cultural phenomenon?
I had this happen once, where a girl asked me last minute if a friend of hers could join us. I took it as a shit test of some sort and told her she should have mentioned it before making plans. She was fine with this and didn't bring it up again.
I don't think it's a normal thing at all, if they insist, tell them you'll bring another dude for her friend and make it a double date, otherwise I wouldn't bother. From my experience, it's better to frame it as a date cause certain girls just want to chat with a foreigner out of novelty, practice their english or socialise a bit cause they've got few friends (it's surprising how little social lives some of these hot girls have).
Of course, if you're staying long enough, it's always useful to make some friends that can show you around, introduce you to other girls, and so on and it's good social proof at the club for example. Probably not worth it for short trips though.
How do you handle the bill in this situation? Do you cover the whole thing?
Last summer in Moscow I made last-minute plans to meet a girl who had been out walking all day with her friend. We met at a wine bar, but I bounced them for a walk around Patriarch Ponds before we ordered anything in order to suss out the situation.
They were cool, so we decided to hang out and went to Aist for a shisha. We all had some drinks and snacks on the patio and it was great hanging out with two attractive, intelligent Moscow lizards (we spoke entirely in Russian).
However, when it was time to pay, I wasn't sure what to do. Clearly it wasn't a date, but as a man I felt like being a man and paying, even though I shouldn't have to.
Now Aist is pretty nice place and it's in a very nice area of Moscow, so it's not cheap. The first bill was for the shisha, and it was almost 4K RUB. I put a 5K note into the bill holder and looked at the second bill, which was for the snacks and drinks (shisha is always billed separately for some reason). It came to around 7K RUB. The girls paid the second bill without me asking and I let them do it.
So the question is: how would you handle the situation if the lizards expect you to pick up the bill?
At the end of the day, picking up a $200 USD tab wouldn't break me, but I'd have felt like a chump because I'd just met these girls and a bang or three-way wasn't assured.
Tough call call in that situation. In Western culture it is perfectly acceptable to split the bill. However, as you know the cultural dynamics are different in Russia in this situation. Men are usually expected to pick up the bill and it was your idea to go for food, right?
I am curious to hear how this plays out. Have you followed with with her?
By the way, Patriarch Pond is my favorite date spot in Moscow.
It was my idea to go for shisha and when we sat down I ordered tea and the girls got some dessert and drinks. When they started ordering I did think about whether I was getting played, but the vibe was good and I have good gold-digger radar so I went with it.
As for the followup, I checked my WhatsApp history from last year and it turns out I invited the hottie out a couple times and she responded, but she wasn't interested enough to schedule something, perhaps because I didn't pick up the entire bill? Who knows? Then one day she wrote to me that she's getting kicked out of her apartment, but that's dodgy so I didn't pursue further. Next.
Quote: (05-14-2017 10:42 AM)TripleG Wrote:
Speaking of Patriarch Pond I think it is a great place for day-game. While I did not succeed there (polite rejections from my targets) I did befriend a local couple there and spent some quality time reading books in the beautiful nature.
Now, at the end of the pond there is a historic building that appears to be a high-end spa/gym. I saw a lot of stunners go in there. Does anyone have experience joining it or have any further info?
Patriarch Ponds is also my favorite spot, not just for dates, but for chilling out as well. I'm a big fan of Bulgakov, so I like the energy there and am always on the lookout for giant cats.
The historic building at the end is a cafe/restaurant with a patio looking out over the pond. Occasionally it's booked for weddings and private events, but generally it's open to the public. You might be thinking of Clean Ponds (Chistiy Prudi), which has a high-end spa/gym looking out over the ponds.