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First and foremost, thanks, brother! Much appreciated. Couple follow-ups.
At 40, I would have agreed with you. At 50+, I can assure you with absolute certainty that a decade is a BLINK. Literally. Yesterday I was changing diapers. Today paying tuition... The good news is that at my age I can out squat, out earn, out think, and out fuck nearly every fuckin Millenial beard boy. It's a joy to which you may look forward!
Spot on; and right to the core of my challenge. The sex with Teach is best of class. We built this together over months. The intimacy is great, too, which I enjoy/want. Can't get that in an ONS or a FB. So my takeaway is that I am going to need to consistently fuck several girls over time in order to assess potential to "Match Teach," as it were, and end up with one or two keepers of the same or higher caliber.
Heard. She's a handful to manage. The issue is not boredom. I am the boredom relief. I know this because the sex/adventurousness/kink has been steadily escalating for over 6 months now. Still going strong. Every time. We're already heavy into the "rough" territory, outdoors, public, exhibitionism, toys, and discussing plenty more. When we are together, she is compliant. Dresses for me, follows instructions, cooks for me, gives me occasional little gifts; etc. More importantly, the sexual response and true attraction is 10/10. Also the intimacy; particularly between fucks, is strong. And she tells me crazy ass, and recently increasingly crazy ass, shit. "I love you, so so much." "That pussy is all yours." And much much more. All fine, and I get heat of the moment; etc. Here's the problem.
After we are together, fucking non-stop for a weekend, that sexual energy/attraction continues into the week. Sexting and etc. Mon/Tues. She'll inevitably tell me some shit like "I need more." "I crave that dick." Whatever. I'm down. I hit her with a date to meetup next weekend. About 30% of the time, she goes dark for 18-24 hours; then declines. Never an explanation or excuse. After that she will typically reach back with some non-sexual type shit, friend talk or romantic talk, to which I will either not respond or play off short. Then it's dark over the weekend. This is mutual. Often she will not reach out, but sometimes she does. I never hit her up or respond until Sunday night earliest. The other 70% she is down and flexes to my schedule. And comes ready to play hard.
The challenge is emotional. Specifically, that I am feeling taken for granted. There is this disconnect between what she says and what she does. And you're right, I feel like she is definitely insufficiently invested, even though she is doing all the right shit when we are together. It just feels like there is no amount of pulling back, and I have pulled back for 3-4 weeks, that is sufficient. She's the "free spirited adventuress" archetype, btw. Eats men for lunch. Never been true to a man, but always pretends to be a monagamist. Valentines gifts/flowers from multiple men; etc.
Not sure how to play her forward, but she pulled that shit last week and I set up G2 for Friday, G3 for this week sometime, a retread (G4) sort of on call, and the rest of the bullpen (4 screened, solid, and opened, but still in Tinder). Sunday afternoon, I got that "Miss you" text. (Didn't respond twice prior when she pinged me.) Called BS. Got this elaborate apology/rant/blahblah. Haven't set a next date with her.
Thoughts on next steps with Teach?
BTW, followed up with G2 last night. Never got her digits pre-meetup and forgot to ask when we were out. This morning she texted me and was blowing up my phone for a bit. Definitely down for more... It's nice to hear. She's much more accomplished and better looking than Teach. Not quite feeling her 100%, though...
Heard. Spot on.
Heard. Didn't mean to open so many. I had run the well dry when Teach blew me off for the weekend (she had lured me in with her "I want more" BS) and G2 was momentarily dark (out of the country, as it turns out). I rebooted Tinder and launched Bumble and three days later I was like WTF? I have an abundance "problem"?!?
I have a history of pulling girls with CLEAR Daddy issues. My Ex, Teach, and at least a couple prior GFs fit that profile. I get it (now), like it, get what they need, and am down with these girls (to a point). Openly advertise this, playfully, in my bio. G2 (37) and others that have responded to that same bio DO NOT fit that profile. As far as I can tell, Millenial men are largely bearded feminist faggots who are not fucking their girls properly and are clueless as to how women actually behave. So Teach tells me. What woman wouldn't want a man that can out think, out fuck, and out earn her boyfriend? Teach also tells me that DILF hunting is a thing with her friends. They are not gold digging per se, but look, at 50+ my lifestyle is just way better than what 99% of those cucked beard boys can afford. There also seems to be a strong response to sexual dominance. So now that I have blathered on a bit, here's what I believe to be the bottom line. My Target Girls are attracted to -
PERFECT! That's fuckin sage advice. Thank you. Don't know why I never thought of booking back to back. That would necessitate the two date close model, which is clearly going to be more time and outcome efficient. Give them that nasty public kiss, maybe a little discreet hand up the dress. Then bounce. If they play, they're DTF D2. If not, NEXT.
Maybe I'll book Teach behind all the rest so she can smell the pussy! Thoughts on that???
Spot on! Thanks. I have done that push/pull in the past, but never realized that it was a thing. Worked like a champ.
Interesting. I had been doing the opposite, and screening out all the clear, and some merely suspect Sugar Babies. Not really feeling girls that are operating this way, and pretty sure they don't fit my MLTR focus, but I am going to read and possibly revisit.
Heard on the logistics bit, btw. I have been using hotels.com and pre-booked last weekend. May adjust to on the fly. Thanks for that tip.
Yep. I've been reading him. Much in sync with my lifestyle choices. At some point I found a pic of this guy and/or read about his finances, and was like - WTF?!? If this guy can pull like this, I definitely can...
Heard. Obviously spot on. Frankly easier said than done with Teach.
Thank you!
First and foremost, thanks, brother! Much appreciated. Couple follow-ups.
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Disclaimer: I am much younger than you. I didn't have time to write a short post so I wrote a long one composed of my musings.
At 40, I would have agreed with you. At 50+, I can assure you with absolute certainty that a decade is a BLINK. Literally. Yesterday I was changing diapers. Today paying tuition... The good news is that at my age I can out squat, out earn, out think, and out fuck nearly every fuckin Millenial beard boy. It's a joy to which you may look forward!
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Oneitis: correct thinking that you need other women, but they should be as attractive / pleasing to you in order to fix your thing with the teacher.
Spot on; and right to the core of my challenge. The sex with Teach is best of class. We built this together over months. The intimacy is great, too, which I enjoy/want. Can't get that in an ONS or a FB. So my takeaway is that I am going to need to consistently fuck several girls over time in order to assess potential to "Match Teach," as it were, and end up with one or two keepers of the same or higher caliber.
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Start telling her to do stuff for you, as simple as "pour me some water while you're up" or "grab me/us X from the store" to "wear X tomorrow, buy (sex toy), etc." Her going halfsies alone doesn't affect her at an emotional level. Don't respond to her texts for twice as long as she takes, on average.
I attribute her "hot-cold" attitude to 1) familiarity and boredom, 2) overall comfort at home but you aren't a long term option. You could also probably ratchet things up into Shades of Gray world (kinky sex, outdoors, toys, etc.) but you might also end up with a crazy clinger on your hands.
Heard. She's a handful to manage. The issue is not boredom. I am the boredom relief. I know this because the sex/adventurousness/kink has been steadily escalating for over 6 months now. Still going strong. Every time. We're already heavy into the "rough" territory, outdoors, public, exhibitionism, toys, and discussing plenty more. When we are together, she is compliant. Dresses for me, follows instructions, cooks for me, gives me occasional little gifts; etc. More importantly, the sexual response and true attraction is 10/10. Also the intimacy; particularly between fucks, is strong. And she tells me crazy ass, and recently increasingly crazy ass, shit. "I love you, so so much." "That pussy is all yours." And much much more. All fine, and I get heat of the moment; etc. Here's the problem.
After we are together, fucking non-stop for a weekend, that sexual energy/attraction continues into the week. Sexting and etc. Mon/Tues. She'll inevitably tell me some shit like "I need more." "I crave that dick." Whatever. I'm down. I hit her with a date to meetup next weekend. About 30% of the time, she goes dark for 18-24 hours; then declines. Never an explanation or excuse. After that she will typically reach back with some non-sexual type shit, friend talk or romantic talk, to which I will either not respond or play off short. Then it's dark over the weekend. This is mutual. Often she will not reach out, but sometimes she does. I never hit her up or respond until Sunday night earliest. The other 70% she is down and flexes to my schedule. And comes ready to play hard.
The challenge is emotional. Specifically, that I am feeling taken for granted. There is this disconnect between what she says and what she does. And you're right, I feel like she is definitely insufficiently invested, even though she is doing all the right shit when we are together. It just feels like there is no amount of pulling back, and I have pulled back for 3-4 weeks, that is sufficient. She's the "free spirited adventuress" archetype, btw. Eats men for lunch. Never been true to a man, but always pretends to be a monagamist. Valentines gifts/flowers from multiple men; etc.
Not sure how to play her forward, but she pulled that shit last week and I set up G2 for Friday, G3 for this week sometime, a retread (G4) sort of on call, and the rest of the bullpen (4 screened, solid, and opened, but still in Tinder). Sunday afternoon, I got that "Miss you" text. (Didn't respond twice prior when she pinged me.) Called BS. Got this elaborate apology/rant/blahblah. Haven't set a next date with her.
Thoughts on next steps with Teach?
BTW, followed up with G2 last night. Never got her digits pre-meetup and forgot to ask when we were out. This morning she texted me and was blowing up my phone for a bit. Definitely down for more... It's nice to hear. She's much more accomplished and better looking than Teach. Not quite feeling her 100%, though...
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I'm assuming your financials are in order, you can swing the "high-flying businessman" archetype? If you're not worried about losing leads or being able to replenish, then amp up your demands and see which ones stick around. ie tell them to show up in a dress and heels, send you pics, etc. It will filter for those who have the highest interest levels. You don't want to take tire kickers on dates anyway.
If you get more of them through your funnel and to the date step, then to the bed step, you'll just kick the quantity problem down the road, and it'll take you more time to manage it then. Don't worry about this for now, you'll figure this out for yourself. It's a pleasant mistake to make, so long as you don't sacrifice what makes you great to begin with and got you there (work, sleep, gym).
Heard. Spot on.
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To keep lukewarm leads warm use picture texts. Read up Krauser on text game and picture texts. But also, stop opening so many of them online, past a week from open to first date means leads go cold and it might be better to let them go cold and reopen in a month - "sorry, crazy with the business travel..." rather than trying to keep the plate spinning the whole time.
Heard. Didn't mean to open so many. I had run the well dry when Teach blew me off for the weekend (she had lured me in with her "I want more" BS) and G2 was momentarily dark (out of the country, as it turns out). I rebooted Tinder and launched Bumble and three days later I was like WTF? I have an abundance "problem"?!?
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If your target market is 20s and early 30s, figure out what the ones that bite want from you or see in you. About a third won't be open to large age gap at all, a third won't care, a third will seek it. (Look at Giovonny's posts for some of the mentality.) With those who are interested - why? Are you the older wiser rich guy who they think can give them a golden ticket? (are you willing to shell out for tix to events for arm candy, or not interested?) Are you the badass biker? Do you still have the body of a pro bodybuilder? Figure it out and amplify accordingly. Think about projecting 50 shades of gray stuff.
I have a history of pulling girls with CLEAR Daddy issues. My Ex, Teach, and at least a couple prior GFs fit that profile. I get it (now), like it, get what they need, and am down with these girls (to a point). Openly advertise this, playfully, in my bio. G2 (37) and others that have responded to that same bio DO NOT fit that profile. As far as I can tell, Millenial men are largely bearded feminist faggots who are not fucking their girls properly and are clueless as to how women actually behave. So Teach tells me. What woman wouldn't want a man that can out think, out fuck, and out earn her boyfriend? Teach also tells me that DILF hunting is a thing with her friends. They are not gold digging per se, but look, at 50+ my lifestyle is just way better than what 99% of those cucked beard boys can afford. There also seems to be a strong response to sexual dominance. So now that I have blathered on a bit, here's what I believe to be the bottom line. My Target Girls are attracted to -
- Strong Dad
- Sexual Dominance / Leadership
- Shit Togetherness (Financial, Fitness, Lifestyle, et al)
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Try to be more in control of time during the dates. Imply subtly before meets that you're a busy man, wheeling and dealing. If you find first date pulls don't work well, try doing a first date for drinks and a quick kiss somewhere, but keep it short, and end on your terms. Second date, propose the optimal logistics and work from there.
Schedule 3+ first dates back to back (different places...). 1h each. They will smell pussy on you, and if one goes really well you can flake on the others. "Urgent client meeting, hope you understand. Hate having to reschedule". Have an excuse ready to go to cut bad ones short. Just don't book them all at the same venue![]()
PERFECT! That's fuckin sage advice. Thank you. Don't know why I never thought of booking back to back. That would necessitate the two date close model, which is clearly going to be more time and outcome efficient. Give them that nasty public kiss, maybe a little discreet hand up the dress. Then bounce. If they play, they're DTF D2. If not, NEXT.
Maybe I'll book Teach behind all the rest so she can smell the pussy! Thoughts on that???
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How to avoid being placed in the boyfriend bucket? Don't be afraid to escalate and be bold, not pushy or needy, with making moves. If at first you fail, try again five minutes later. Escalate physically, deny verbally. ("who has a hand up your dress, me? Never, I'm a gentleman. I don't kiss until marriage")
Spot on! Thanks. I have done that push/pull in the past, but never realized that it was a thing. Worked like a champ.
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You sound like a natural for Seeking Arrangement game (note: not p4p, we do not encourage or discuss that here). Look at DeepDiver's posts if that's your thing. In particular, look at logistics such as using a phone app to book a last minute room.
Interesting. I had been doing the opposite, and screening out all the clear, and some merely suspect Sugar Babies. Not really feeling girls that are operating this way, and pretty sure they don't fit my MLTR focus, but I am going to read and possibly revisit.
Heard on the logistics bit, btw. I have been using hotels.com and pre-booked last weekend. May adjust to on the fly. Thanks for that tip.
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Also look at the blog of Blackdragon, who may or may not be up your alley (his old content was good, not sure these days). He's an older guy who is family-centric but has kept rotations of younger women.
Yep. I've been reading him. Much in sync with my lifestyle choices. At some point I found a pic of this guy and/or read about his finances, and was like - WTF?!? If this guy can pull like this, I definitely can...
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Above all, re-prioritize yourself and your goals. This will fix your oneitis and your quantity problem once you get the fucking around out of your system.
Heard. Obviously spot on. Frankly easier said than done with Teach.
Thank you!
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