I asked you questions which you did not answer. Your right to not do so, but it indicates something. Again,
What do you really want?
Do you want to awaken to reality? or are you just curious about playing in these fantasy realms![[Image: tard.gif]](https://rooshvforum.network/images/smilies/new/tard.gif)
you are exploring via what you read?
If you're spending more time on forums than improving your life in the real-world, you are not a red-pill man. Buddha, Nisargadatta Maharaj, Christ, pick an awakened master, did not 'discuss things in theory' as a diversion. They were about the PRACTICAL means to alleviate human suffering. That means to strip away illusion in every possible form and the inner delusions are the more subtle and difficult to detect. You can do whatever you wish, but I had to raise this caution flag that it feels you are coming here under a cloak of wanting to engage with 'like-minded red-pill men' while it seems clear to me now you are just wanting to hear yourself talk about ideas you're fascinated with 'in theory', while in a 'dream state' when you're a 'beginner still struggling to attain lucidity.'
Hmmm.. I wonder why you're struggling? Perhaps because whether you attain lucidity in a dream state or not DOESN'T means a FUCKING thing for the waking state of consciousness. Fuck Carlos Casteneda. Fuck Don Juan (who was admittedly imaginary anyway). Fuck anyone and anything who is pulling you and your attention AWAY from right here, right now.
Fuck.
That.
Noise.
You're acting like the blue-pill bun-wearing hippie boys I've seen in my time in spiritual communities, wearing patchouli and burning sage because someone told them its what spiritual people do.![[Image: dodgy.gif]](https://rooshvforum.network/images/smilies/dodgy.gif)
This is harsh, but I've seen that bullshit too long and too close to not call it out. You're better than this but only if you take the RED PILL I am offering you right now to shake you out of that comfort zone you've fallen into of fascination with states and planes and books that have no real bearing on YOUR LIFE.
They won't, my brother, because they instinctively know that is not the real purpose of spirituality. It's meant to be imminently practical, how to live life as a part of THIS world, not floating in altered states of consciousness. But you're happily Fapping away in never-never land.
Do they even lift, bro?
So as I guessed, you do not even have a physical guide assisting you, or better yet cautioning you as I am to NOT do this shit if you really want to wake up to reality. You're like Cipher wanting to plug himself back in the matrix because he misses juicy prime rib so he falls asleep to eat it. Really, WTF?
Perhaps your true Higher Self is resisting 'attaining lucidity' out of a sense of healthy self-preservation? It doesn't want to tamper in realms and dimensions that you as a Westerner and a beginner, are ill-equipped and ill-advised to pursue?
Aha! So there it is. You are coming at this from a theoretical perspective and because you find it 'most interesting'. That's very clearly a mind playing with itself, distracting itself. That's the spiritual hamster my friend.
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I know that hamster all too well which is why I'm pointing out your words but cleaned up to honestly reflect upon. Please don't feed your spiritual hamster!
BULLSHIT. You have no idea what you're talking about and you're messing with things you don't understand. How the hell can you as a 'beginner' say 'there are no real danger here'? And you say yourself 'if they are friendly.' What if they're not, what then? Are you in any way PREPARED to deal with unfriendly whatever beings you're imagining or told you might encounter? Do you walk into a bear cave just because 'hoping it's friendly'? Not if you're sane.
BINGO! That 'experience.' A truth any authentic teacher will tell you is that reality is NOT an experience. So by seeking experiences by your own admission you are NOT seeking 'the true nature of reality.' Can you see yourself you are admitting you're distracting yourself? You can fool yourself, but not me, not us.
BULLSHIT again. 'It's like body-building' - terrible analogy between a practical that can give proven results and one that is totally non-tangible and especially dangerous to mental health. But let's play along - so you want to body-build without a coach, guess what happens? YOU HURT YOURSELF. Doesn't everyone who knows suggest 'get a trainer it's worth it.' So that's the only true part about what you said.
The crap you're spouting is really self-deluded and dangerous - the more you write the clearer that becomes to me. You're very lost, brother, and I hope you can make it back home to your self.
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Yuck, I need a shower.
No one wants to describe this because it is not applied spirituality (my area of interest) but typical New Age distraction fake spirituality.
And who says they are pointing you in the right direction? They're doing what you're doing, getting off on delusion and distraction.
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What would happen if you stop visiting all those sites for a week, including this one, and simply READ and follow the meditation guidelines of this essay twice a day? It was written by a bona fide awakened teacher who I am many many others have spent time listening to. Would you be able to leave that stuff alone, or would you crave it like a heroin junkie, getting the shakes and needing another fix? It takes a former addict to recognize a current addict and brother, you've got it bad.
If you choose, and if you can feel the love behind these hard words, you can free yourself of bondage to those states you're craving. You can watch many insightful satsangs / 'dharma talks' on Youtube of this teacher Adyashanti. There are others who are very awake and wise, but Adyashanti is the easiest to relate to. He is constantly pointing you to your True Nature, the true nature of reality - not by going into dream states, but by paying attention to WHAT IS AWAKE in all states. What is it that's observing you when you're struggling to attain lucidity, or reading these words, or thinking about dinner. What you REALLY ARE is not a state but it also can't be named. The less you do to distract yourself from exploring the question
'What am I?'
the more likely you will actually be touched by Grace and granted a big a-ha realization. Even that realization and that experience needs to be let go of (everyone loves to talk about their spiritual experiences, but it really doesn't matter in the end). Body-building is as much about lifting weights as resting and eating well. It's knowing what NOT to do along with what TO DO and listening to the advice of those who have been there, done that to save yourself pain and wasted time. You don't get big in the gym, you get big at the dinner table and when you're resting and recharging. Do less, not more.
If you are not even the least bit curious about what I am sharing, having been in some manner where you are now, then I say you are actually undermining yourself - or your actual goal is not to know the true nature of reality but to distract yourself with speculations, theoretical discussions, and dubious 'lucid dreaming' practices that will keep you asleep - or worse - for the rest of this lifetime.
If you truly want to be a RED red pill man, then consider these questions:
-What does all you're doing in dream land have to do with spiritual awakening?
-Can you see that dependence upon ANYTHING outside yourself is bondage?
-Can you sense within yourself that perhaps you're being pulled or pushed by forces you don't understand to engage in activities which might be the spiritual equivalent of jumping out of a plane without a parachute?
I won't post again in this thread. I've given you enough of my time and experience to meditate upon, if you're willing. So far I've been the only person interested in or willing to engage with you on this topic and I'm calling out your self-delusionary spiritual masturbation.
Keep this in mind: if and how you reply is more important for YOU to reflect upon than for me or anyone else to read.
What do you really want?
Do you want to awaken to reality? or are you just curious about playing in these fantasy realms
you are exploring via what you read?If you're spending more time on forums than improving your life in the real-world, you are not a red-pill man. Buddha, Nisargadatta Maharaj, Christ, pick an awakened master, did not 'discuss things in theory' as a diversion. They were about the PRACTICAL means to alleviate human suffering. That means to strip away illusion in every possible form and the inner delusions are the more subtle and difficult to detect. You can do whatever you wish, but I had to raise this caution flag that it feels you are coming here under a cloak of wanting to engage with 'like-minded red-pill men' while it seems clear to me now you are just wanting to hear yourself talk about ideas you're fascinated with 'in theory', while in a 'dream state' when you're a 'beginner still struggling to attain lucidity.'
Hmmm.. I wonder why you're struggling? Perhaps because whether you attain lucidity in a dream state or not DOESN'T means a FUCKING thing for the waking state of consciousness. Fuck Carlos Casteneda. Fuck Don Juan (who was admittedly imaginary anyway). Fuck anyone and anything who is pulling you and your attention AWAY from right here, right now.
Fuck.
That.
Noise.
You're acting like the blue-pill bun-wearing hippie boys I've seen in my time in spiritual communities, wearing patchouli and burning sage because someone told them its what spiritual people do.
This is harsh, but I've seen that bullshit too long and too close to not call it out. You're better than this but only if you take the RED PILL I am offering you right now to shake you out of that comfort zone you've fallen into of fascination with states and planes and books that have no real bearing on YOUR LIFE.Quote:Quote:
I call all of those who know what I am talking about to come to discuss things in theory.
They won't, my brother, because they instinctively know that is not the real purpose of spirituality. It's meant to be imminently practical, how to live life as a part of THIS world, not floating in altered states of consciousness. But you're happily Fapping away in never-never land.
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Specifically I am member of one blah blah where very self-deluded individuals discuss these distraction and their masturbatory experiences.
Do they even lift, bro?
So as I guessed, you do not even have a physical guide assisting you, or better yet cautioning you as I am to NOT do this shit if you really want to wake up to reality. You're like Cipher wanting to plug himself back in the matrix because he misses juicy prime rib so he falls asleep to eat it. Really, WTF?
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I am beginner and just recently crossed into beginner never never land ... This happened few times and not more because I am still struggling with attaining lucidity.
Perhaps your true Higher Self is resisting 'attaining lucidity' out of a sense of healthy self-preservation? It doesn't want to tamper in realms and dimensions that you as a Westerner and a beginner, are ill-equipped and ill-advised to pursue?
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I tried various techniques to match my theoretical knowledge and this blah blah blah is the most interesting one and the one with what I had most success distracting myself with.
Aha! So there it is. You are coming at this from a theoretical perspective and because you find it 'most interesting'. That's very clearly a mind playing with itself, distracting itself. That's the spiritual hamster my friend.
I know that hamster all too well which is why I'm pointing out your words but cleaned up to honestly reflect upon. Please don't feed your spiritual hamster!
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There are no real danger here in your own astral bubble or in inorganic being worlds if they are friendly, but there is danger when blah blah
BULLSHIT. You have no idea what you're talking about and you're messing with things you don't understand. How the hell can you as a 'beginner' say 'there are no real danger here'? And you say yourself 'if they are friendly.' What if they're not, what then? Are you in any way PREPARED to deal with unfriendly whatever beings you're imagining or told you might encounter? Do you walk into a bear cave just because 'hoping it's friendly'? Not if you're sane.
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I am still far away from that experience
BINGO! That 'experience.' A truth any authentic teacher will tell you is that reality is NOT an experience. So by seeking experiences by your own admission you are NOT seeking 'the true nature of reality.' Can you see yourself you are admitting you're distracting yourself? You can fool yourself, but not me, not us.
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...and this whole thing is like bodybuilding, I realize I cannot lift heavy weights yet.
BULLSHIT again. 'It's like body-building' - terrible analogy between a practical that can give proven results and one that is totally non-tangible and especially dangerous to mental health. But let's play along - so you want to body-build without a coach, guess what happens? YOU HURT YOURSELF. Doesn't everyone who knows suggest 'get a trainer it's worth it.' So that's the only true part about what you said.
The crap you're spouting is really self-deluded and dangerous - the more you write the clearer that becomes to me. You're very lost, brother, and I hope you can make it back home to your self.
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This whole thread I opened is purely for analytical discussion... so I can fap all over myself when I read it...
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Others are free to describe their experiences if they want, but its not needed. I wanted to see what is the interest of people here in this stuff.
My "knowledge" about realities higher then physical is mostly from fictitious literature, where I came across other fapperswho pointed me back toward my navel.
No one wants to describe this because it is not applied spirituality (my area of interest) but typical New Age distraction fake spirituality.
And who says they are pointing you in the right direction? They're doing what you're doing, getting off on delusion and distraction.
===
What would happen if you stop visiting all those sites for a week, including this one, and simply READ and follow the meditation guidelines of this essay twice a day? It was written by a bona fide awakened teacher who I am many many others have spent time listening to. Would you be able to leave that stuff alone, or would you crave it like a heroin junkie, getting the shakes and needing another fix? It takes a former addict to recognize a current addict and brother, you've got it bad.
If you choose, and if you can feel the love behind these hard words, you can free yourself of bondage to those states you're craving. You can watch many insightful satsangs / 'dharma talks' on Youtube of this teacher Adyashanti. There are others who are very awake and wise, but Adyashanti is the easiest to relate to. He is constantly pointing you to your True Nature, the true nature of reality - not by going into dream states, but by paying attention to WHAT IS AWAKE in all states. What is it that's observing you when you're struggling to attain lucidity, or reading these words, or thinking about dinner. What you REALLY ARE is not a state but it also can't be named. The less you do to distract yourself from exploring the question
'What am I?'
the more likely you will actually be touched by Grace and granted a big a-ha realization. Even that realization and that experience needs to be let go of (everyone loves to talk about their spiritual experiences, but it really doesn't matter in the end). Body-building is as much about lifting weights as resting and eating well. It's knowing what NOT to do along with what TO DO and listening to the advice of those who have been there, done that to save yourself pain and wasted time. You don't get big in the gym, you get big at the dinner table and when you're resting and recharging. Do less, not more.
If you are not even the least bit curious about what I am sharing, having been in some manner where you are now, then I say you are actually undermining yourself - or your actual goal is not to know the true nature of reality but to distract yourself with speculations, theoretical discussions, and dubious 'lucid dreaming' practices that will keep you asleep - or worse - for the rest of this lifetime.
If you truly want to be a RED red pill man, then consider these questions:
-What does all you're doing in dream land have to do with spiritual awakening?
-Can you see that dependence upon ANYTHING outside yourself is bondage?
-Can you sense within yourself that perhaps you're being pulled or pushed by forces you don't understand to engage in activities which might be the spiritual equivalent of jumping out of a plane without a parachute?
I won't post again in this thread. I've given you enough of my time and experience to meditate upon, if you're willing. So far I've been the only person interested in or willing to engage with you on this topic and I'm calling out your self-delusionary spiritual masturbation.
Keep this in mind: if and how you reply is more important for YOU to reflect upon than for me or anyone else to read.