I lived in Chiang Mai for about a year, as a white guy ( a sad and incurable condition YMG is not afflicted with ![[Image: wink.gif]](https://rooshvforum.network/images/smilies/wink.gif)
, so I thought I would comment as a white guy in Thailand)
It is certainly exceedingly possible for a good looking young white guy with decent game to do quite well with the best of the CM beauties, but YMG is correct to note that you operate under a disadvantage. To sum up - quite simply a smaller percentage of girls are open to foreigners than to Asian men. However, the percentage that is open to foreign men cuts across the entire beauty spectrum, from butt ugly to absolute beauty. So there are quite a few stunners that are perfectly willing to date foreign men. It is simply that you will have fewer opportunities than an Asian guy. There is even a percentage of hot girls who will prefer white foreign guys to Asian foreign guys. It was not uncommon for me to swoop girls who had Asian guys hitting on them. This group, though, is much smaller than the group who limit themselves exclusively to Asian men. Its also worth noting that the vast majority of white guys with Thai girls that you will see will be ugly, but that is more a reflection of the sad fact that Thailand does not attract anything close to the best of the white race.
This should not be controversial at all. Roosh has continually made a point of noting that it is always harder for a foreigner to get the best local women - Brazil, Colombia, it does not matter. Even in countries where you share the same race. It should come as no surprise, and be seen as quite in the natural order of things, that Asia is no exception. Its not a bad thing, it does not mean the locals hate you. It just expresses the natural human preference for those like us. Nor do white men have the least right to complain at all - Asian men have it much worse in white countries.
What this means is that Thailand is the best place for an Asian guy macking and the worst Asian country for a white guy macking, which MIGHT help explain why Japan and Korea and other parts of Asia get a much better class of white guy (the lack of quality white guys creates a bad reputation, the bad reputation repels quality white guys from staying. Its a vicious cycle. There are some signs it is breaking, though. Maybe an influx of roosh readers with game will help break the tide ) If you are an Asian guy, Thailand is your place. If you are a white guy, Thailand can still be great fun but you will do much better elsewhere (which is not necessarily a reason to go elsewhere, you can still do well in Thailand and the country is funner than many other parts of Asia).
Based on where YMG says he is picking up, (SNOP and Ratchada in general, make up sales girls, and hotel receptionists), this is a class of girl that is quite open to white guys in general, and while an Asian guy would for sure have a larger pool to choose from, it would not be enormously greater. Generally these girls are socially lower-middle-class, quite respectable but at the lower end of the respectability scale, and in terms of looks are generally 5s-6s with the occasional rare 7 thrown in for good measure. Cute and sweet girls to be sure, but where it gets really tough for a white guy is at the upper end of the beauty and class scale, which is not represented amongst hotel receptionists and make up girls (beauty is much more closely tied to wealth and social status in Thailand than in the West). Asians have a much huger advantage here socially, but you still have to have lots to offer - you cant just show up and be Asian and expect to snoop the best quality. Thats a fantasy.
The best way for a white to gain access to the most beautiful girls is to have high status Thai male friends. This opens doors like you would not believe. You still have to be an attractive guy, but suddenly girls who had little interest in you are all over you. Clearly upper class Thai girls with white guys, by the way, suffer no suspicion of being prostitutes, but are still under tremendous social pressure to marry Thai, or at least Asian.
MG claims this applies to Asia as a whole, but in my experience this preference for Asian men exists more strongly in Thailand than in any other Asian country. At the opposite spectrum lies Japan, where a good looking white guy will have infinitely better chances than a non-Japanese Asian guy. The rest of Asia falls somewhere in between, with apparently Singapore being a bit of an outlier with what YMG describes as white love. A friend of mine who would intermittently hook up with white skinned beauties in Thailand moved to Taiwan, where he was able to have a succession of beautiful girlfriends the likes of which it was simply much harder for him to line up in Thailand on a regular basis.
Another thing to note is that many girls who wont date white men, are nevertheless eager for sex with them. Dating carries with it all sorts of social baggage that just does not apply to semi-clandestine one night stands. NEVER trust what Asian men tell you about your opportunities with the local girls (Roosh mentioned this in connection with Polish men. It is universally applicable). Many of the girls will NEVER admit to being open to sex with a foreigner because of the possible stigma, but will be quite eager to do so. Trust me, I know
What else? While being Asian makes Thailand easier for you, it does not make it fantastic. For instance a white guy will have an infinitely easier time of it in any white country, say, but that does not mean that a beta white guy will be hooking up with the hottest girls.
Cheers, and enjoy Thailand! It is a great place!
, so I thought I would comment as a white guy in Thailand)It is certainly exceedingly possible for a good looking young white guy with decent game to do quite well with the best of the CM beauties, but YMG is correct to note that you operate under a disadvantage. To sum up - quite simply a smaller percentage of girls are open to foreigners than to Asian men. However, the percentage that is open to foreign men cuts across the entire beauty spectrum, from butt ugly to absolute beauty. So there are quite a few stunners that are perfectly willing to date foreign men. It is simply that you will have fewer opportunities than an Asian guy. There is even a percentage of hot girls who will prefer white foreign guys to Asian foreign guys. It was not uncommon for me to swoop girls who had Asian guys hitting on them. This group, though, is much smaller than the group who limit themselves exclusively to Asian men. Its also worth noting that the vast majority of white guys with Thai girls that you will see will be ugly, but that is more a reflection of the sad fact that Thailand does not attract anything close to the best of the white race.
This should not be controversial at all. Roosh has continually made a point of noting that it is always harder for a foreigner to get the best local women - Brazil, Colombia, it does not matter. Even in countries where you share the same race. It should come as no surprise, and be seen as quite in the natural order of things, that Asia is no exception. Its not a bad thing, it does not mean the locals hate you. It just expresses the natural human preference for those like us. Nor do white men have the least right to complain at all - Asian men have it much worse in white countries.
What this means is that Thailand is the best place for an Asian guy macking and the worst Asian country for a white guy macking, which MIGHT help explain why Japan and Korea and other parts of Asia get a much better class of white guy (the lack of quality white guys creates a bad reputation, the bad reputation repels quality white guys from staying. Its a vicious cycle. There are some signs it is breaking, though. Maybe an influx of roosh readers with game will help break the tide
) If you are an Asian guy, Thailand is your place. If you are a white guy, Thailand can still be great fun but you will do much better elsewhere (which is not necessarily a reason to go elsewhere, you can still do well in Thailand and the country is funner than many other parts of Asia). Based on where YMG says he is picking up, (SNOP and Ratchada in general, make up sales girls, and hotel receptionists), this is a class of girl that is quite open to white guys in general, and while an Asian guy would for sure have a larger pool to choose from, it would not be enormously greater. Generally these girls are socially lower-middle-class, quite respectable but at the lower end of the respectability scale, and in terms of looks are generally 5s-6s with the occasional rare 7 thrown in for good measure. Cute and sweet girls to be sure, but where it gets really tough for a white guy is at the upper end of the beauty and class scale, which is not represented amongst hotel receptionists and make up girls (beauty is much more closely tied to wealth and social status in Thailand than in the West). Asians have a much huger advantage here socially, but you still have to have lots to offer - you cant just show up and be Asian and expect to snoop the best quality. Thats a fantasy.
The best way for a white to gain access to the most beautiful girls is to have high status Thai male friends. This opens doors like you would not believe. You still have to be an attractive guy, but suddenly girls who had little interest in you are all over you. Clearly upper class Thai girls with white guys, by the way, suffer no suspicion of being prostitutes, but are still under tremendous social pressure to marry Thai, or at least Asian.
MG claims this applies to Asia as a whole, but in my experience this preference for Asian men exists more strongly in Thailand than in any other Asian country. At the opposite spectrum lies Japan, where a good looking white guy will have infinitely better chances than a non-Japanese Asian guy. The rest of Asia falls somewhere in between, with apparently Singapore being a bit of an outlier with what YMG describes as white love. A friend of mine who would intermittently hook up with white skinned beauties in Thailand moved to Taiwan, where he was able to have a succession of beautiful girlfriends the likes of which it was simply much harder for him to line up in Thailand on a regular basis.
Another thing to note is that many girls who wont date white men, are nevertheless eager for sex with them. Dating carries with it all sorts of social baggage that just does not apply to semi-clandestine one night stands. NEVER trust what Asian men tell you about your opportunities with the local girls (Roosh mentioned this in connection with Polish men. It is universally applicable). Many of the girls will NEVER admit to being open to sex with a foreigner because of the possible stigma, but will be quite eager to do so. Trust me, I know
What else? While being Asian makes Thailand easier for you, it does not make it fantastic. For instance a white guy will have an infinitely easier time of it in any white country, say, but that does not mean that a beta white guy will be hooking up with the hottest girls.
Cheers, and enjoy Thailand! It is a great place!