Quote: (08-27-2015 05:04 AM)_Cicero Wrote:
Good to know. I'm doing Mongolia soon. I guess the key is to do some work on the heavy bag before I go...
Lance -- did you ever actually get into a fight in UB when you were with your girl? Or when you walk around with a girl do you just get guys who step up, say shit and try to act tough?
TLDR: Never got in a fight, avoided them by not antagonizing the locals. Mongolian guys can and will fight dirty, don't piss them off.
I think that the most important thing is to remember that Mongolia is a VERY different country than the US.
Regarding violence, I've only been in Ulaanbaatar during the summer, which as another poster pointed out, is when all of the affluent Mongolians under 30 or so return to the City from the US, Canada, Europe, etc and they do have a moderating influence, particularly in the clubs.
I never got into a trouble when I was there, but I was always in places like hotels, people's homes or with a number of other men with me along with my girl (usually members of her family or her friends.)
Walking around with a Mongolian girl during the day won't, in my (limited) estimation get you attacked, but every block or so, some man or woman (often older) will call her a whore, a bitch or a slut. If you're out and about long enough, some guy will come up and confront her about being a "foreigner's whore." (Unlike a girl from most anywhere else in the world, the Mongolian girl will not take that lying down and will begin to respond violently to the man, shouting and threatening him. [You won't know what to do, and before you know it it's over, dude will be on the ground clutching balls, anyway. Mongolian girls are tough, too.])
At night, it's a bit different, add serious amounts of alcohol (you know, as opposed to the three or so beers you had at lunch) and you're now talking about the potential for serious violence. They aren't interested in fighting fair. Oh yeah, and they can fight - because they do it all the time. Your average Mongolian florist - he's been in a fight in the last few weeks. Three out of the nine men that I hung out with had bruises on their face. I regularly saw fights just driving around UB and saw them every night at the end at clubs. People don't intervene unless they have a personal connection to someone involved. Security saw their job as protecting the club, not the street outside.
It's actually quite dangerous, as I understand it, just to be a solo Mongolian guy alone out clubbing - let alone a foreigner. People are not friendly to strangers - at all - in the country. You must have a personal connection to the group in order to really get to know people. Mongolians are suspicious even of their own kind. (Perhaps even more so.)
There are several clubs that are frequented by foreigners, so you pretty much can go hang out there, I guess. There still might be some problems, but really, if it's a foreigner friendly place, the girls are hookers. (Of which there are a lot in Mongolia.) I'd be careful coming and going from the club, as alcohol is involved, and some drunk guys might just decide to jump a lone foreigner. I'm going to assume that you don't want to (just) bang hookers, though...
The other problem with fighting , as I understand it, is that some Mongolians are looking to extort foreigners by picking fights and then suing or pressing charges and then demanding a bribe to drop the charges. So be careful and make sure you can afford to pay a big bribe if you need to.
The key is to build friendships with Mongolians - particularly men and to get introductions through them. For all of their blatant racism and Xenophobia, they are an incredible people with a remarkable culture and a passion for life. A key part of Mongolian culture is the close association of manhood and hospitality; To be a man is to be a gracious host. They're a very generous people and if you're their guest, they will see it as a personal responsibility to show you a good time and treat you as best they can.
I was treated incredibly warmly by my hosts and bought one meal in three weeks last time I was there. They took me everywhere and showed me everything new. Every night and every day was the personal responsibility of my hosts. I loved it there, but I have no idea how they would have responded if I was just some guy's college friend and I suggested that I wanted to meet girls.
To a Mongolian, non-Mongolians, and Western men in particular, seem like a bunch of cold-hearted, weaklings and pussies; They can't drink, they don't take risks, and they're passionless. Most young Mongolian guys work out and have style. (Not always great style, but style, nonetheless.) It helps if you know how to ride a horse and if you can swim. They also like to wrestle, but you'll never be able to keep up, as they've been doing it since they were able to walk. The best thing to do is counter that perception - build up your tolerance to vodka (no face-making, either), do whatever crazy shit they do and understand that there's worse ways to die than while doing something really fucking risky in Mongolia. That will earn their respect, if nothing else, and will increase your chances with their women. (Their women really care about masculinity. Perhaps a bit too much...)
On the plus side. Women outnumber the men considerably in UB. This has the effect of requiring women to be fairly aggressive and, consequently, fairly slutty. This dynamic, plus the lack of any significant christian influences on the country, mean that Mongolian women are very forward, aggressive and horny. This means that Mongolian men of any significant prospects, are drowning in pussy and often behave pretty badly. It's pretty normal for guys to slap their girlfriends, wives, mistresses around.
It's not uncommon for members of "The 76" (the 76 members of the ruling elite of the country) to have multiple mistresses that are 17-20, regardless of their age. Most Mongolian men, and an increasingly large number of women, who come from affluent families, are not really interested in marriage any longer. Infidelity is so widespread and there's no real concept of divorce like in the US. A woman is expected to just put up with that. The atmosphere is very hedonistic and male dominated in that respect (in most respects, actually.)
Mongolian women are extremely feminine, sexy and are generally outgoing. With them comes about as much drama as a Korean, but they tend to be a bit wilder - more like Korean - Americans. Many speak English, but Russian is still more common in the over 40 crowd.
Mongolian women are generally very interested in caucasian men, so, the main challenge is just getting around their men. The women don't generally have a problem with race, so it's pretty much fine if there's a very high ratio of women to men, which is quite plausible at most times in UB, and you were careful coming and going from the clubs.
Lots of Mongolian girls are very flirty, and often DTF if not around other Mongolians. Every Mongolian girl I've fucked enjoys sex, is ok with discrete NSA sex, knows how to suck dick fairly well, although same as elsewhere in Asia, cum swallowing is less common, but is also easily corrected. They seem to like it rough as a group.
For LTR potential, that one is a tough one.
There are significant cultural differences that I think many men will find offensive; To most Western men Mongolian women will seem far too practical at best, and outright Mercenary at worst. Mongolia is a fairly poor country (although growing rapidly) and Mongolian women are fascinated by western movies, clothes, styles and music (particularly hip hop and EDM), so a western guy has certain advantages, but most Mongolian women have seen enough to be shrewd and tend to expect a guy to put out if they're going to put out. (For nice girls, this means that they understand that their beauty is fleeting and won't fuck a guy they aren't serious about who's just looking to put a pin in his map.) Mongolians love labels, status symbols and are very bling-y. All this means they're really into power, money and status.
Mostly, they worry a great deal about how their family and friends (and the broader Mongolian community) will perceive their behavior and this is what keeps them from being more promiscuous. There is a huge emphasis placed on "keeping the blood pure" even in schools, and certainly from most of their peers. Your best chance with a Mongolian girl is when she's not around other Mongolians.
The kind of guy that's going to be visiting Mongolia (probably) is going to be sufficiently masculine (unless you're an auditor or something) to be attractive to a Mongolian girl, but if you're not really a take charge kind of guy, it will erode her respect for you in relatively short order and there can be problems. Most of the Mongolian-White couples I've seen haven't held up because he "isn't strong enough" for her (and also, the guy was punching way above his weight in a fair fight on looks). What they perceive as "masculine" is a higher bar than what most of us would. The other issue is that most Mongolian women have zero interest in a career - virtually all want to be a stay at home mother. (Most women in Mongolia marry and have children in their early 20s.)
A lot of Mongolian guys aren't even really interested in their own women. (Ironic, given their Xenophobia.) The couple of Mongolian players I know are the only Asian guys that I know regularly date outside their race.
As a reputation, they are very high maintenance as girlfriends and the relationships don't work because they're incredibly demanding that you spend money on them (like a lot of Asian girls) and they're constantly insulting their boyfriend's manhood as a way of pushing buttons.
As a general rule, Western men become entranced by a Mongolian woman's coquettish sexuality and charm and their exoticism - they can often have very western features, and generally have very pale, white skin. They often speak English with heavy Russian accents. They are generally quite loyal (like all women, until they're not.) To summarize, they're basically Korean by day, Russian by night.
But, their materialism, hot tempers, and wildness rubs a lot of guys the wrong way eventually. You'll definitely need to be a party animal to keep up with most Mongolians and this will exhaust most western guys. They also seem to be a moody people overall compared to most whites.
Mongolian men's blatant, and frequent, cheating, makes them insanely jealous by nature and suspicious of boyfriends and husbands. I've seen couples work when the woman basically doesn't live around too many Mongolians and the guy is pretty Alpha. Mongolian men are also very jealous, and most Mongolian families are, by Western standards, high in drama. (Soap Opera drama.... Mexican Soap Opera Drama)
They also have a tendency to get fat. I've seen some skinny ones - like all Asians, a certain percentage of them is incapable of gaining any weight, but most tend to get chubby at an early age due to the high carb, high fat diet of meat and milk. Best teeth I've ever seen in Asia, or outside the First World for that matter. (Must be all the milk.) Regularly have seen perfect, white teeth with no gum recession. An increasing number of Mongolians girls I know are starting to become gym rats, but my observation would be that they often have bad habits that offset the anti-aging benefits of being Asian.