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N6 Wrote:

Look at the story of Samson, his supernatural testosterone levels were never supposed to be for the pleasure of a Philistine woman but for the deliverance of Israel.

I agree with you on everything else you said, but I think you have the story of Samson wrong.

He fucked a whore for free. He was not sinning by banging the whore, he was sloring. He also never married her, but he did make the mistake of falling for a cheap traitorous slut. He redeems himself at the end by killing all of his enemies. It's a great story of how a manly man should be.

(06-04-2015 02:42 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Full stop. The reasoning in the OP is way off and the reliance on modern re-interpretations is unnecessary.

Per Jesus, "'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

Now let's ask the question: Is it very loving of you to have sex with a woman who wants to be married one day?

To answer your question: yes, without a doubt. In fact, if you didn't have sex with her she probably wouldn't love you in the first place as all of my research on securing girlfriends has revealed.

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Simultaneously, let's say a woman is cool having sex with you without marriage. If you loved yourself would you want to have sex with a woman who doesn't care love herself?

In fact, I think you have it backwards. If I was a broken woman then I'd want men to fuck me anyways because there's no way to go back in time and unfix me. Therefore as a broken slut I'd want to be fucked to eke out a bit more happiness out of my fucked up life before I die, and perhaps have children with a good man.

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Maybe the first few times of banging you'll be fine, but keep doing it. Roosh has posted a few posts on the forum talking about how associating with so many low quality women had on his psyche and soul.

This is what sin is, the slow destruction of ones ability to feel connected to something beyond himself.

There is a huge difference between engaging with sex every so often to satisfy a man's natural urges and binging on non-stop sex, just as it is with healthy eating and gluttony.

How Roosh once lived was really no different than the fat women he criticized for eating like pigs all the time. (Obviously, no offense Roosh!) Roosh realizes this now and he's better off for it.

Also, even though how Roosh lived wasn't a model for other men, what came out of it was good for other men (his research on banging girls). This is a great example of how God can make good things come out of evil just as Satan can make evil things come out of good.

Hence, God has the "sun rise on both evil and good people, and he lets rain fall on the righteous and the unrighteous."

Scorpion Wrote:

The Beast1 raises a good point: even if fornication is not explicitly a sin in the same manner that adultery or prostitution are, that doesn't imply that fornication should be endorsed or passed off as harmless. Sex is the ultimate indulgence of the flesh, and the Bible repeatedly warns of the dangers of indulging the flesh and how doing so corrupts the spirit, since the spirit and the flesh are opposed to each other (Gal. 5:17).

But Beast1's point contradicts nothing I've said so far. Nowhere have I said that it's okay to chase sluts each day. Indulgences in general are sinful - spending too much time on money is greed. Spending too much time on food is gluttony. Spending too much time on destroying your enemies is wrath. Spending too much time on what your neighbors have over you is coveting. Spending too much time on anything is idolatry.

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So I think the best that we can say is that even if fornication is not explicitly a sin, at the same time it is not something that should be indulged in with reckless abandon, and to the extent that it is done at all it should be as a temporary measure with an eye toward marriage. What should certainly be avoided is becoming a slave to the desire to fornicate, which is very easy to do given how powerful the sexual urge is and how quickly and easily it can overcome the flesh. So even if fornication is not a sin, men do well to keep their sexual desire in check as much as possible, since indulging the flesh always damages the spirit and pulls us farther away from God.

No where have I denied any of these things. I think so many guys are upset by what I have found that they are grasping for any sort of straws to try and refute or temper my arguments when in fact I have not contradicted any other teaching of the Bible, in either the NT or OT. A lot of guys are missing the nuance of my arguments.

I don't blame you guys for doing this, though. These findings were just as upsetting and shocking for me as they are for you. As I talked about in the OP, I remained a virgin until the age of 24 while trying to find a good virgin wife for myself to marry before I finally gave up in despair. I now realize there was no reason for me to ever despair, since the answers to today's problems were already written about over 2000 years ago. I just needed to actually read the Bible instead of taking it on authority from others!

Right now, my attitude is to chase pussy no more than once per week in my chosen niche. I believe this is enough to keep my sexual appetite sated while I focus on more important things.