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10-01-2015, 09:31 PM
Quote: (10-01-2015 09:16 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:
It seems there is a critical mass problem to gun control.
I have no doubt that if there were a concerted effort to crack down on guns ie. zero tolerance, complete ban, a war on gun smuggling across the border, absolute and total repurchase of guns by the government - we would reduce these incidents. Yes, mental health is a rising issue in this country, but you're kidding yourself if you think this country is more mentally deranged per country than the next 10 OECD countries combined, when those countries, combined, have fewer shootings.
I do agree that anything short of that only shifts the ease of gun acquisition away from law abiding citizens and towards criminals, crazies, and terrorists. Unfortunately, with the second amendment, federalism, NRA, and political culture in this country, the former is near politically impossible. So we will get half-hearted "solutions" that don't really do anything. And when more shootings continue, the supporters of gun freedom will point to these "solutions" as evidence that gun control doesn't work.
On another note: it always strikes me as ludicrous how much of the american political discourse is based on the pretense that it is the only liberal, capitalist democracy in the world. Canada and Australia seem like infinitely less dysfunctional, per capita, countries than the U.S. Singapore and Hong Kong, while not real democracies, seem to provide better standards of living, lower taxes, vice freedoms like prostitution ie. libertarian authoritarianism. None of them have second amendment rights and, uh, they aren't exactly castro's cuba.
When I am of parenting age I will be GTFOing out of the U.S. Too much unnecessary shit compared to peer developed countries - gun violence, police brutality, cowboy interventionist foreign policy, affirmative action, shitty divorce laws, insane tuition (even for public universities), false rape epidemic. I realize other countries have some of these things, but I can name no other developed country with all of these issues.
America has a demographic problem, not a gun problem.
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10-01-2015, 09:46 PM
As I read one time:
"I read somewhere that 1 out of 12 Americans owns a gun. This is TERRIBLE! A CRISIS! The problem is....how do we get guns to those other 11?"
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10-01-2015, 09:55 PM
Quote: (10-01-2015 09:52 PM)Vanguard Wrote:
Quote: (10-01-2015 09:16 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:
It seems there is a critical mass problem to gun control.
I have no doubt that if there were a concerted effort to crack down on guns ie. zero tolerance, complete ban, a war on gun smuggling across the border, absolute and total repurchase of guns by the government - we would reduce these incidents. Yes, mental health is a rising issue in this country, but you're kidding yourself if you think this country is more mentally deranged per country than the next 10 OECD countries combined, when those countries, combined, have fewer shootings.
I do agree that anything short of that only shifts the ease of gun acquisition away from law abiding citizens and towards criminals, crazies, and terrorists. Unfortunately, with the second amendment, federalism, NRA, and political culture in this country, the former is near politically impossible. So we will get half-hearted "solutions" that don't really do anything. And when more shootings continue, the supporters of gun freedom will point to these "solutions" as evidence that gun control doesn't work.
On another note: it always strikes me as ludicrous how much of the american political discourse is based on the pretense that it is the only liberal, capitalist democracy in the world. Canada and Australia seem like infinitely less dysfunctional, per capita, countries than the U.S. Singapore and Hong Kong, while not real democracies, seem to provide better standards of living, lower taxes, vice freedoms like prostitution ie. libertarian authoritarianism. None of them have second amendment rights and, uh, they aren't exactly castro's cuba.
When I am of parenting age I will be GTFOing out of the U.S. Too much unnecessary shit compared to peer developed countries - gun violence, police brutality, cowboy interventionist foreign policy, affirmative action, shitty divorce laws, insane tuition (even for public universities), false rape epidemic. I realize other countries have some of these things, but I can name no other developed country with all of these issues.
What a genius solution! We take all of the guns away and then the mentally-delusional psychopaths will completely forget and abandon their plans for mass anhiliation. After all, bombs can't be built, knives can't be bought, and guns can't be made using a 3-d printer or basic machinery... Right?
That's what Norway thought...until there was Anders Breivik.
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10-01-2015, 09:57 PM
Quote: (10-01-2015 09:49 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:
Quote: (10-01-2015 09:46 PM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:
As I read one time:
"I read somewhere that 1 out of 12 Americans owns a gun. This is TERRIBLE! A CRISIS! The problem is....how do we get guns to those other 11?"
Yes, let's give guns to school children and high school teens.
Nice strawman. Comes natural to you?
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10-01-2015, 10:00 PM
You should really wait for the particulars of the case before you spout off that it was 'easy' to do it.
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10-01-2015, 10:14 PM
If you study mass shootings in the USA, several things stand out:
1) usually loners (not always, but usually)
2) they case areas of mass, unarmed targets (schools, malls, churches, movie theaters)
3) they usually intend to die by suicide or death-by-cop after killing maximum victims
4) they are, at heart, cowards. None would face an armed opponent in a remotely fair fight.
They are cowards, and mentally deranged...but not stupid. They have a plan.
Given this, I propose:
We have a "Ground Marshals" program, similar to the Air Marshals program. Selected adults, who work in the targeted areas, who CCW and are trained to respond to these incidents. Just as in the AM program, not EVERY adult is armed...but who is armed is unknown to the shooter....just as it is in the Air Marshal program.
These GMs dont even have to "hit" the shooter. To fire back is to disrupt their plan, and degrade/stop their attack. Lives are saved.
The uncertainty of knowing who is armed and ready to fight, and who is not, will deter the majority of these diseased fucktards. They want easy publicity, multiple deaths, and a final shootout. To die at the beginning is not. their. plan.
But....the Nanny State will not allow this idea. As the Chattanooga event showed...even our SERVICEMEN cannot defend themselves (legally). Travesty.
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10-01-2015, 10:22 PM
Make firearm and tactical training required in the same semester as sex-ed and rape-culture training -- life and death classes of equal nature.
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10-01-2015, 10:27 PM
The media is referencing the absurd "White Americans are Biggest Terror Risk" study in reference to this shooting.
Guy isn't white though...
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10-01-2015, 10:34 PM
Quote: (10-01-2015 10:27 PM)Eskhander Wrote:
Guy isn't white though...
I guess you were out of the country when the whole Zimmerman thing was going down.....
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