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If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because
#1

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

you're self-selecting for sluts.

Yesterday's Twitter update by Roosh is a prime example:
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The moment I realize a girl isn't DTF I go silent & stare blankly into space. Girls are quick: takes them 30-60 secs to get it & walk away.

If you go out and only give attention to the girls who are down to fuck that night, then all the girls you're with are going to be sluts.

If you reject a girl because she doesn't have sex with you by the 2nd or 3rd date, then eventually all the girls you're with are sluts.

Basically you're self-selecting for the sluttiest girls possible.

There's nothing wrong with that, especially if all you want to do is get laid and party, but please don't assume that all girls are like that. Don't get jaded about the quality of American girls, simply because the ones you choose are the sluttiest girls in your town.

There are lots of "good girls" out there, who are very feminine and would make great wives, but if all you do is chase after the easy girls, then you won't be meeting them.

Let me give you some background on me, since I'm new here. I'm 36 years old and recently married to a "good girl". Back in my 20s and early 30s, I chased lots of slutty girls and had tons of fun, but eventually I hit a point where I wanted to settle down. I didn't want to be a 40-year-old guy still going out and hitting on girls, and I wanted some stability in my life. So I changed my methods, and stopped worrying about whether a girl would sleep with me right away and instead started looking for real compatibility and femininity.

I met a girl who is amazing in every way, and we are perfect for each other, so we got married.

But I still have to use "game" with her to keep the relationship strong, and I enjoy reading the various game blogs and forums to keep me on my toes. Now that I'm married, it's more important than ever to maintain my masculinity and keep the attraction going forever. I'm in this for life.

I know this may not resonate with most of you, since we're at different places in our lives, but I've seen threads here about "end game" and the like, and I hope this contributes to the discussion.
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#2

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

It all depends on what you're looking for. As your first post here I'd be careful with what you say and how you say it. You're making quite a few sweeping generalizations.

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#3

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

Quote: (09-30-2011 10:37 AM)Gmac Wrote:  

It all depends on what you're looking for. As your first post here I'd be careful with what you say and how you say it. You're making quite a few sweeping generalizations.

Yeah, that's my whole point. There's nothing wrong with only looking for sluts and girls who are "down to fuck".

But when you do that, don't be surprised when all your girlfriends turn out to be sluts.
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#4

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

I think you will find disagreement on some of your premises, especially the idea that not all girls are like that. Actually, all girls are like that. It is hard to accept, but it is true. I bet there is at least one guy on this forum who could prove it to you with your wife. Everyone goes into marriage to be in it for life, but many find out that it really isn't. I think your post would have more weight if you were married for 6-10 years and still felt that way (and your wife still felt that way). Still, I hope everything goes well and never give up on game, which is a mistake I made.
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#5

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

Quote: (09-30-2011 10:43 AM)WhiteMonk Wrote:  

Quote: (09-30-2011 10:37 AM)Gmac Wrote:  

It all depends on what you're looking for. As your first post here I'd be careful with what you say and how you say it. You're making quite a few sweeping generalizations.

Yeah, that's my whole point. There's nothing wrong with only looking for sluts and girls who are "down to fuck".

But when you do that, don't be surprised when all your girlfriends turn out to be sluts.

No, I'm saying don't assume guys are only looking for the sluttiest girls. And I don't think you realize you're insulting most of this board with your generalizing comments.

Case in point: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-2174-p...l#pid43310

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#6

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

I think White Monk has a strong point. I have told many cats about that maintaining the knowledge of game within relationships, etc.

However, it is my guess that most of the peeps on here are not having trouble finding good lizards. Most of us want filthy reptiles (me included).
Nothing fills me with more glee than finding out a lizard is pretending she is busy but really scheming to acquire an additional schlong to sit on...

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#7

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

Quote: (09-30-2011 10:52 AM)Gmac Wrote:  

No, I'm saying don't assume guys are only looking for the sluttiest girls. And I don't think you realize you're insulting most of this board with your generalizing comments.

Case in point: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-2174-p...l#pid43310

Agreed. The OP is bordering on subtle Beta Trolling. This isn't a girlfriend-finder website about baking pies and holding hands. It's a game site. No one is complaining that all their girlfriends are turning out to be sluts. It's a straw-man.

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#8

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

Quote: (09-30-2011 11:18 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Quote: (09-30-2011 10:52 AM)Gmac Wrote:  

No, I'm saying don't assume guys are only looking for the sluttiest girls. And I don't think you realize you're insulting most of this board with your generalizing comments.

Case in point: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-2174-p...l#pid43310

Agreed. The OP is bordering on subtle Beta Trolling. This isn't a girlfriend-finder website about baking pies and holding hands. It's a game site. No one is complaining that all their girlfriends are turning out to be sluts. It's a straw-man.

[Image: troll.gif]

Might even be a lizard in disguise. Disguised lizards usually become so overwhelmed by the 'womanizing' and the 'objectification' that they eventually pipe out on some hyper moral ish. Tuth, perhaps you should define a new type of troll...the bearded lizard..which is a lizard that is pretending to be a dude..in order to get some intel..

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#9

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

Sluts for banging. "Good girls" for dating. Its important to be able to recognize the difference.

After dealing with a bunch a sluts, a good girl can be a breath of fresh air. And after dealing with a bunch of good girls, a nice slut is a breath of fresh air.

It all depends what you want. And, if you have good "Slut Game" and good "Good Girl Game".

They are 2 different things.
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#10

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

First, my definition of a slut: a woman who has sex outside of long term exclusive relationships. Anything more lenient doesn't stand up to reason.

It's a good point you raise. Think about it for a moment, and it becomes clear we, players, spend the vast majority of our time and energy on sluts, as defined above. Non-sluts are simply a huge waste of time, given the goals of most people here. And it can start to warp our thinking, because we assume that this portion of women is representative. People in general think too much in terms of absolutes. Maybe every woman will cheat given the right circumstances, and maybe every man as well. But the ease with which they cheat varies dramatically from one person to the next. Saying "all women are sluts" isn't all that helpful.

But ultimately, you are wrong. Most American women today are in fact sluts. More importantly, we still meet plenty of women who aren't DTF immediately. And they aren't shining beacons of femininity. As I just wrote in another thread, I'd be willing to wait for sex, and maybe even try out an exclusive relationship - I just don't meet many women worthy of my respect and devotion.

I recently met a girl. She was very nice and feminine. Text and call her a couple days later, and set a date, which is yet to occur. After I hung up, I got extremely suspicious. "This is too easy, something must be wrong. I'm just going to assume she'll flake." Am I paranoid and insecure?

No, I feel this way because of the countless interactions I've had with women leading up to it. When a woman treats me with basic integrity, responding promptly and courteously, I am shocked. When she tells me she has her entire weekend free and that I'm free to choose a night, when she doesn't boast of her unavailability, I'm bowled over by her modesty and honesty. I wouldn't be if these traits were common.

FWIW, this girl in particular is from a very small city in the Midwest, under 21 without a fake ID, and in an environment with slightly more women than men. I have reason to suspect her parents aren't American either. I believe all these factors have a role in why she seemingly has superior character. Girls without such a background are typically worse. And I still don't know if she'll show yet, not until she appears before me.
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#11

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

Quote: (09-30-2011 11:18 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Agreed. The OP is bordering on subtle Beta Trolling. This isn't a girlfriend-finder website about baking pies and holding hands. It's a game site. No one is complaining that all their girlfriends are turning out to be sluts. It's a straw-man.

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Good catch. I'm sensing a closet white knight.
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#12

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

Quote: (09-30-2011 11:28 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Sluts for banging. "Good girls" for dating. Its important to be able to recognize the difference.

After dealing with a bunch a sluts, a good girl can be a breath of fresh air. And after dealing with a bunch of good girls, a nice slut is a breath of fresh air.

It all depends what you want. And, if you have good "Slut Game" and good "Good Girl Game".

They are 2 different things.

One man's Good Girl is another man's Fuck Buddy [Image: heart.gif]

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#13

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

" I know this may not resonate with most of you, since we're at different places in our lives, but I've seen threads here about "end game" and the like, and I hope this contributes to the discussion"

What discussion? You posted a statement.

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#14

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

Quote: (09-30-2011 11:33 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

One man's Good Girl is another man's Fuck Buddy [Image: heart.gif]

Not my "good girls"!

I run "Islamic Extremist Game". They can't leave the house unless they are with a me and they can not show their face in public, I make them wear those bed sheets around!

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#15

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

Quote: (09-30-2011 11:33 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

One man's Good Girl is another man's Fuck Buddy [Image: heart.gif]

And that's what betas cant comprehend.
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#16

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

Quote: (09-30-2011 11:18 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Quote: (09-30-2011 10:52 AM)Gmac Wrote:  

No, I'm saying don't assume guys are only looking for the sluttiest girls. And I don't think you realize you're insulting most of this board with your generalizing comments.

Case in point: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-2174-p...l#pid43310

Agreed. The OP is bordering on subtle Beta Trolling. This isn't a girlfriend-finder website about baking pies and holding hands. It's a game site. No one is complaining that all their girlfriends are turning out to be sluts. It's a straw-man.

[Image: troll.gif]

I edited my original post because I didn't want to jump the gun. I was going to say he was two of the following:

A) A troll
B) A hater / beta
C) A woman

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#17

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

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If you go out and only give attention to the girls who are down to fuck that night, then all the girls you're with are going to be sluts.

If you reject a girl because she doesn't have sex with you by the 2nd or 3rd date, then eventually all the girls you're with are sluts.

Basically you're self-selecting for the sluttiest girls possible.

This post reminds me of why philosophy majors were the most annoying. You bracket off a very narrow set of assumptions that do not reflect reality, then use a little bit of logic to draw a conclusion that you believe to be "rigorous," but actually isn't at all.

Game is necessary if you want to attain a woman. But also game is necessary whether or not she's promiscuous to properly discern whether or not she is slut, and what kind of relationship the situation calls for.

A completely inexperienced male will put all "good girls" and all sluts on the same over-romanticized pedestal. Then with some experience comes the accompanying tide of cynicism and the same male will put all "good girls" and all sluts on the slut pedestal. But with proper awareness of game, you find that you are still enchanted by women that are enchanting, while also being disenchanted with women that are disenchanting; you are more aware, discriminatory, versatile. In this way you can treat a girl of high character worthy of your trust as well as she deserves, while also being able to treat the untrustworthy slag as is appropriate to her psychology. You need to first be familiar with the rules to be able to find their exceptions.
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#18

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

These new trolls suck. Where's IT (indian troll)?
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#19

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

If I had a nickel for every "good girl" that just "doesn't do that"...
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#20

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

Quote: (09-30-2011 12:05 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

I edited my original post because I didn't want to jump the gun. I was going to say he was two of the following:

A) A troll
B) A hater / beta
C) A woman

I'm a former player who is now married.
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#21

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

Quote: (09-30-2011 11:39 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (09-30-2011 11:33 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

One man's Good Girl is another man's Fuck Buddy [Image: heart.gif]

Not my "good girls"!

I run "Islamic Extremist Game". They can't leave the house unless they are with a me and they can not show their face in public, I make them wear those bed sheets around!

I don't trust any of you mofos ![Image: king.gif]

LOL @ Islamic Extremist Game

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#22

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

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I'm 36 years old and recently married

Check back from your ivory tower in five years and let us know how everything is going.
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#23

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

Quote: (09-30-2011 10:33 AM)WhiteMonk Wrote:  

you're self-selecting for sluts.

Yesterday's Twitter update by Roosh is a prime example:
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The moment I realize a girl isn't DTF I go silent & stare blankly into space. Girls are quick: takes them 30-60 secs to get it & walk away.

If you go out and only give attention to the girls who are down to fuck that night, then all the girls you're with are going to be sluts.

If you reject a girl because she doesn't have sex with you by the 2nd or 3rd date, then eventually all the girls you're with are sluts.

Basically you're self-selecting for the sluttiest girls possible.

I ignored the rest of his post, as to avoid vomit inducing habits.

I think he makes an interesting point in what I have quoted.
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#24

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

lol 5 star thread.

the self-policing in this forum is grade A+. it's the weekend, boys. time to kick back and enjoy life...have fun errbody.
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#25

If you're having trouble finding a "good girl", its probably because

Who says we're looking for "good girls"? That's a huge assumption on your part. Some guys have opted to forgo marriage.


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There are lots of "good girls" out there, who are very feminine and would make great wives.

Perhaps you could gives us details to help us understand by describing why your wife so "special" from the others. Either your wife is foreign or you're most likely lying if your wife is American. And if your is foreign she'll end up just like American women in a few years due to the powerful cultural factors present if she lives in with you in America. I've seen it happen. America changes women. Just as men are pragmatic and adjust to environmental changes in the mating market by learning game, so do foreign women learn of the enormous benefits and privileges given to them in the West. This is why bringing a foreign wife to America is a bad idea.

Finding a young "good girl" who wants to get married, have children, and maintain a family is perhaps one of the hardest things to find in the U.S. This will be the topic of my writing. It is nigh impossible, and I'll explain why.


The marriage market in the U.S. is now a bear market. The marriage market is in a recession; in fact, I see a depression on the rise. People aren't buying marriage stocks, they're selling marriage stocks. Divorce is rampant. Couples are getting out of the marriage market, mostly due to women. 90% of all divorces are caused by women (women file 70% of the time, while the man files 20% of the other time due to abuse, adultery, etc.) We live in a divorce culture. Lawyers are selling divorce to women. See: http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2011/03/06/...g-divorce/

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As I said above, many of you need a refresher on the basics. Too often those selling divorce get caught up thinking only about the selling points:

1.The feeling of power which divorcées initially experience.
2.The near universal assurance of child custody. (Summary, Full Analysis).
3.Divorce Fantasy.
4.Feeding choice addiction.
5.Financial gain.
6.Her friends egging her on.

The above is a pretty compelling package. When it comes to divorce, all of the legal and social incentives line up in favor of the wife.



The average 22-year-old woman has had twice as much sex as the average 22-year-old male. A woman can get sex more easily than a man can. If you're looking for a "good girl" you usually don't want her to have a high number count as part of your criteria. One look at today's dating market reveals that this type of woman is hard to come by. For a better description of the sluttiness of today's young American women, I advise you to read Tuthmosis' excellent thread, Lessons from Jailbait: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-5245.h...=al-fresco

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1. Young girls have sophisticated game, at the level of guys 8-10 years older than them.
These girls were in, roughly, the 9th and 10th grades, but they knew how to evade my well-polished player-advances (before I knew their ages) deftly, playing hard-to-get like a couple of 26-year-old chicks at a bar. They didn't scurry away in fear. They milked me for more attention. While most boys this age are still playing tag and video games, the girls are getting hit on by horny guys that are way older than them (e.g., Tuthmosis). These girls are definitely not hanging with guys their age, and they've definitely touched dick.

2. Young girls love weed and alcohol.
It didn't take long for our conversation to go into drugs/alcohol territory--a topic they broached. If you think the average 14- or 15-year-old girl that is even remotely cute is an innocent little flower playing with barbies, think again. American society may like to infantalize girls, but it's not grounded in anything but a vehement and foolhardy denial of the realities on the ground. These weren't pierced-up, ghetto-talking skanks either. They were a couple of nice-looking, sweet chicks who could carry on a decent conversation and made me genuinely chuckle a couple times with their wise-cracks.

Don't ever let aging harpies and jealous betas make you feel guilty for gaming 18-20 year-olds when you're 10, 15, or 20 years older than them. These girls start piling up experience early, and if you "do the right thing" and "date" a girl your own age, you're getting way more mileage than meets the eye. If you talk to any hot girl in her 20s and 30s, you'll learn that she was "hooking up with guys" as young as 11. And, you can bet your bottom dollar that most of those guys were older than them. I've had several girls that I've gone out with straight-up volunteer information like this.

Furthermore, women in the 18-24 age range are the most sought-after group of women by men. If you want to marry a woman, you want her to be as young as possible, in the 18-24 age range if possible. Let's examine why women feel that they are hot commodities in short supply during their prime years.

If there are equal numbers of men and women in the 18-24 age range, then why do women feel so entitled and bitchy and feel as if they're in short supply? It's because the demand not only comes from men in their peer group and same age range (horny 18-24 y.o. guys), but demand also comes from older men which spans just about all age ranges. Thus, one can say that 18-24 y.o. women get hit on by guys 18-100 y.o. (although 100 is stretching is exaggerating a little bit), while young, unestablished, penniless guys don't get as much attention until they get a bit older. Thus, one can hypothetically estimate that the demand for women in the 18-24 age group is at the very least two-fold, maybe three-fold, if not four-fold of the demand for men in the 18-24 age group.

To address your point that there are "good girls," I reply that there are none. Women are driven by specific biomechanics that respond to game. I do not think that you have fully digested the red pill. Do you have any idea of the depravity you're up against?

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"Mike’s first inkling that something was amiss in his marriage was in 2000, when he was digging through a closet looking for the source of some mice. He didn’t find any nests, but he did come upon a plastic grocery bag of love letters to his wife, Stephanie, from her co-worker Rob. Confronted, Stephanie confessed to a fleeting affair but assured Mike that L., then nearly 3, was his."

If you recorded the answers of one million cheating whores at the moment when their doubting husbands questioned them about the paternity of their kids, only one woman would tell the truth to the man she married “till death do us part”. The other 999,999 women would lie. This is the juggernaut of female depravity you are up against, men. Never forget that.

Chicks Dig Jerks: Prison Tryst Edition

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Yep, women can’t get enough of that asshole vibe. So much so, that they’ll even leave a man whose occupation — prison warden — suggests authentic asshole, to be with an even bigger asshole — a convicted murderer. Talk about hypergamy.


See: http://alcuin-constant.blogspot.com/2011...eally.html

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Put your hand in fire and got burned? No problem. Try it again. Not all fire is like that.
Walked into a lion's cage and lost your arm? No problem. Try it again. Not all lions are like that.
Spilled acid on your skin and needed grafts? No problem. Try it again. Not all acid is like that.
Pissed into the wind and got a bit smelly? No problem. Try it again. Not all wind is like that.
Jumped into the lake and got wet? No problem. Try it again. Not all lakes are like that.
Got bitten by a cobra and died? No problem. Try it again. Not all cobras are like that.
Jumped from the fourth floor and cracked your head? No problem. Try it again. Not all gravity is like that.
Argued with a women's studies major and felt like banging your head against the wall? No problem. Try it again. Not all women's studies majors are like that.
Sat on a bee and got stung? No problem. Try again. Not all bees are like that.
Got fucked on the house and kids? No problem. Try again. Not all women are like that.

I've lived in several countries in Asia and elsewhere (Turkey, Hungary). Trust me, the gals are the same wherever you go. It's a question of the social constraints put on them.

Women seem to be happiest where they are closest to their families, and where they don't have a lot of options. The more options and ambition given to women, the unhappier they become. As we know, western women emulate men. They like to act how they think we act. Raunch culture, it seems, is a way for women to act "like a guy." Makes them unhappy, if you ask me. But they don't know why they are unhappy, so they blame men.


Women do not want marriage, they want a wedding. They want the parade, the party, the ceremony, the ring, and all the privileges associated with it. They do not think of the years of drudgery of sticking by her man through thick and thin through good times and bad times. This is the difference between the outlook of a foreign woman and an American woman. Other more knowledgable posters can correct me if I'm wrong, but Russian women have little or no expectations from their husbands. They just want a NORMAL husband. In Russia, the ratio of men to women is 88:100. Applied to the entire population, around 10 million Russian women will end up marriageless. So, they are happy because they know that not all women will get married and so they try everything to keep the marriage together. Contrast this with the average American woman who will divorce over the most trivial of things.

An American woman getting married can be compared to an Olympic athlete. The athlete trains hard for years and years (the woman preps herself, trying out new guys, etc.), enters into a roaring stadium (the altar for the woman), competes fiercely with other competitors for the gold (competes for the alpha male with other women), and after winning the gold, the athlete has to return to a normal life at a normal job where the media frenzy eventually dries up and is eventually forgotten (the honeymoon is over). "That's it?" she wonders. Then she realizes that marriage isn't what she thought it would be. Marriage requires work from both sides, something she's unaccumosted to doing.

In Summary, the average 18-24 y.o. American woman isn't interested in marriage until they're older, when you probably don't want them and don't see them as marriage material anymore. How many 19-year-olds do you know that are interested in marriage? Probably very few.

They also lack the skills of a proper wife. Cooking skills? Laundry? Patience? Ability to raise children?

She is at a high risk of divorcing you and making large dents in your finances.

In short, marriage in America is a fruitless endeavor for men, doomed to end in the shambles of divorce, poverty, and deserts of sexless marriages. Some men may contend that they can game their wives 24/7. While this may be true, he is grossly ignorant of the sex appeal and femininity that foreign women have to offer.

I once knew a young man from Eastern Europe who made the mistake of marrying an American woman. They had a young daughter. He was a firefighter. He once got injured on the job but refused to sue because he needed the job. He couldn't come home often because he had to work so much. His wife ended up cheating on him at bars. He filed for divorce.

Learn from the mistakes of others so you don't make them yourself.

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