@Lemon - money and power are probably some of the best reasons to change a religion. My friend's grandfather converted to Catholicism from Judaism in order to marry the daughter of a wealthy industrialist.

Keep in mind that more or less expertly invested family wealth can keep your progeny for centuries well into the upper class or at least upper middle class ranks. They did a study recently and found that the British upper class even 300 years later were at least upper middle class. It generally took centuries to fall in financial power. They always sell us the story that almost everyone up there is "self-made", while in reality most had fathers who were multi-millionaires and built upon that to billions. Some had excellent family connections and created more of it.

They probably take Bill Gates, Donald Trump and Zuckerberg (Greenberg - rumored to be connected to Rockefeller clan) as some kind of whiz-kids who have appeared out of thin air. In many cases the mere connection to a wealthy family helped them infuse themselves into a kind of "I can do as well what my stupid father has done" attitude, which manifested even greater fortunes.

And yes - I know pure self-made men who accumulated great fortunes while having started dirt-poor or at least only middle-class. But somehow I found that the ones born to more well-off families had bigger and more successful businesses.

But keep in mind to never be the toyboy there - if you have the pants on in the relationship and have the opportunity to get better jobs or start your own business at a bigger scale, then it may be a worthy risk - of course if the lady in question is LTR worthy at all and could be an acceptable mother.

I like to think I am not a "very stupid" person in these matters and have my priorities grounded, I agree with those here who claim liberty is the most important thing we can have and I wouldn't sacrifice it for this in particular. Though in this situation I feel I don't have many risks, a muslim family which is pretty secular, they're like the catholics back at my country who go to mass once a week and then don't eat meat for one day and that's it. So called "soft" muslims, who could even be considered hypocrite for certain stances that are not exactly well seen in their religion.

I see this as a trampoline in a world with few opportunities, maybe I'm wrong or short sighted but it's something I will ponder upon for quite some time, but the woman in question is attractive, we click very well, she's quite feminine and I have few doubts she'd be a nice mom, but obviously I have to run the important issues, specifically concerning the kids. I'm still very young, and though I'd like to have a family, I was only thinking of doing it after 35. But if this comes into fruition I will absolutely consider it.

Quote: (03-31-2015 11:34 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

@Lemon - money and power are probably some of the best reasons to change a religion. My friend's grandfather converted to Catholicism from Judaism in order to marry the daughter of a wealthy industrialist.

Keep in mind that more or less expertly invested family wealth can keep your progeny for centuries well into the upper class or at least upper middle class ranks. They did a study recently and found that the British upper class even 300 years later were at least upper middle class. It generally took centuries to fall in financial power. They always sell us the story that almost everyone up there is "self-made", while in reality most had fathers who were multi-millionaires and built upon that to billions. Some had excellent family connections and created more of it.

They probably take Bill Gates, Donald Trump and Zuckerberg (Greenberg - rumored to be connected to Rockefeller clan) as some kind of whiz-kids who have appeared out of thin air. In many cases the mere connection to a wealthy family helped them infuse themselves into a kind of "I can do as well what my stupid father has done" attitude, which manifested even greater fortunes.

And yes - I know pure self-made men who accumulated great fortunes while having started dirt-poor or at least only middle-class. But somehow I found that the ones born to more well-off families had bigger and more successful businesses.

But keep in mind to never be the toyboy there - if you have the pants on in the relationship and have the opportunity to get better jobs or start your own business at a bigger scale, then it may be a worthy risk - of course if the lady in question is LTR worthy at all and could be an acceptable mother.

Quote: (03-31-2015 11:52 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

I see this as a trampoline in a world with few opportunities, maybe I'm wrong or short sighted but it's something I will ponder upon for quite some time, but the woman in question is attractive, we click very well, she's quite feminine and I have few doubts she'd be a nice mom, but obviously I have to run the important issues, specifically concerning the kids. I'm still very young, and though I'd like to have a family, I was only thinking of doing it after 35. But if this comes into fruition I will absolutely consider it.

Remember a good joke I heard from a wealthy guy:

"With my own bare hands I ...... married my rich wife and live now in well-deserved luxury."

In UK I went to school with a Muslim guy whose father was forced to convert to Islam. His father was a Hindu from India, he went to Saudi Arabia for work and he got into a relationship with a Saudi woman. Her family found out and said to him to either you convert to Islam and marry her, or we will kill you. He converted.

His used to be a pilot with Indian Air Force, after he converted to Islam he stayed in the Middle East for a couple of years. He fought as part of the Arab armies against Israel in the Six Day War in 1967. He moved to UK shortly afterwards.

If the choice was death or conversion what would you guys do?

Quote: (03-31-2015 01:21 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

In UK I went to school with a Muslim guy whose father was forced to convert to Islam. His father was a Hindu from India, he went to Saudi Arabia for work and he got into a relationship with a Saudi woman. Her family found out and said to him to either you convert to Islam and marry her, or we will kill you. He converted.

His used to be a pilot with Indian Air Force, after he converted to Islam he stayed in the Middle East for a couple of years. He fought as part of the Arab armies against Israel in the Six Day War in 1967. He moved to UK shortly afterwards.

If the choice was death or conversion what would you guys do?

The threat of death is a lot different from the threat of a girl leaving from you.

I'd convert, stack money, then GTFO of that hell hole, without that bitch.

P.S. Charles Bronson converted to Islam for a bit to marry some broad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Salvador

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In 2001, Bronson married again, this time in HMP Woodhill to Fatema Saira Rehman, a Bangladeshi-born divorcee[115] who had seen his picture in a newspaper and begun writing to him. Rehman had visited Bronson ten times before their wedding.[116][117] She had worked at a women's shelter before their meeting, but lost her job when her employer found out about the relationship.[118] For a short time, Bronson converted to his wife's faith of Islam, and wished to be known as Charles Ali Ahmed. After four years he and Rehman divorced.[114] Rehman has since given many interviews regarding her short marriage to Bronson, portraying him in a negative light. In one interview she was quoted as saying, "He fooled me – he is nothing but an abusive, racist thug."

@Walter Black: in that case of course I'd convert - my concern about conversion is not if it conflicts with my views, honor or whatever, but just basic altruism about a religion suffering from having a false or half-hearted believer in its midst. If they're threatening me with death, then altruism is out and I'll gladly spout whatever bullshit makes them feel good.

I have considered starting a religion for good pieces of poosy. (and $)

In future, I may start to give self improvement/health/dating advice to women.

Quote: (03-29-2015 11:29 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Only to a small and reasonable degree to show respect. For example, I'm not Christian but I would get married in a church and partake in any necessary rituals or prayers. I would not, however, convert to Christianity. What use would God have for someone who doesn't really believe?

I'd do something similar.

I was raised catholic but took a turn for the agnostic in my early school ages.

Were I to marry a catholic woman, I'd support her wanting to marry in a church and raising the children catholic, with the expectation that she'd support my sticking points (not raising daughters to be harpies or sons to be pussies).

Hell, I might just get a catholic marriage and forgo the civil union marriage certificate with the state.

But then again - in my situation, it's only a small jump. For Islam, Judaism, Buddhism? Never.

That's a woman marrying me for who I will be, not for who I am.

G

I've already joined a religion for this reason. The religion of game/red pill.