Quote: (03-27-2015 02:21 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Quote: (03-27-2015 01:59 PM)72 and sunny Wrote:  

Guys, there's something called mathematics.

In any given situation when one of the pilots is left by himself in the cockpit he may or may not proceed to down the plane. Now, if you introduce another person (flight attendant) into the cockpit that person ads his very own "(s)he may or may not proceed to down the plane" risk.

That additional person doesn't add additional risk, it provides an additional check and balance. An additional person makes it increasingly unlikely that any one of them could successfully pull off a suicide crash before being stopped. Why do you think the copilot waited until the pilot was in the bathroom before carrying out his act? Could he have carried out this act with another person there? No.

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Besides, there's also further increased risk of terrorist and crazies rushing the cockpit door with (more) frequent and/or longer door openings.

How does having a flight attendant make the door openings more frequent? Door opens, pilot walks out, flight attendant walks in. How does that change the frequency? So the door stays open one extra second? What's the big issue?

I agree overall adding a random flight attendant reduces risk. Yes, there's a 1/10,000,000 chance SHE'S also suicidal and will help nut job pilot crash plane. But more likely, her presence will reduce chances he'll go through with it and she might be able to let the other pilot in. Better if it's a sizable man however.

Quote: (03-27-2015 08:22 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Well I guess the "game can save lives" guys were right all along.

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As the hunt continued for a motive for Lubitz’s mass murder, it also emerged that he had recently split from his girlfriend, and appeared to have made a desperate last attempt to win her back by buying her a brand new Audi car only weeks ago. She appeared to have said no, as the car was never delivered

RVF:

Quote: (03-27-2015 08:22 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Well I guess the "game can save lives" guys were right all along.

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As the hunt continued for a motive for Lubitz’s mass murder, it also emerged that he had recently split from his girlfriend, and appeared to have made a desperate last attempt to win her back by buying her a brand new Audi car only weeks ago. She appeared to have said no, as the car was never delivered

Countdown to the first Male Entitlement / Toxic Masculinity Female Typist Queef in 5... 4... 3...

What if that Tranny they were all celebrating a few months back who threw himself in front of a bus made the drive jack-knife the truck and hit a bus full of school children in the opposing lane? Does the fact it didn't happen show any more evidence of concern or empathy for others than this?

http://www.ibtimes.com/germanwings-co-pi...le-1862484

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Andreas Lubitz told a former girlfriend that he wanted to do something spectacular that would “change the system” and make everyone remember him.

German prosecutor Ralf Herrenbrueck said Friday that Lubitz had hidden an “existing illness," from the airline, and that police had found torn-up sick notes from a doctor that excused him from work on the day the crash took place.

Other motives raised as a possible explanation of Lubitz's actions include the fact that he had recently split from his girlfriend. He attempted to win her back by purchasing her an expensive car, which she did not accept, the Telegraph reported.

There's something sad about reading about horrific tragedies committed by guys who are having female problems. Sometimes I think we believe we're above that and have a higher calling but ultimately it all revolves around pussy.

It calls to mind an old Satoshi Kanazawa article:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the...t-laid-iii

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In reality, however, women do often say no to men. (In my experience, they always do.) This is why men throughout history have had to conquer foreign lands, win battles and wars, compose symphonies, author books, write sonnets, paint portraits and cathedral ceilings, make scientific discoveries, play in rock bands, and write new computer software, in order to impress women so that they will agree to have sex with them. There would be no civilization, no art, no literature, no music, no Beatles, no Microsoft, if sex and mating were a male choice. Men have built (and destroyed) civilizations in order to impress women so that they might say yes. Women are the reason men do everything.

I hate to say I told you so but it seems that Game does indeed save lives. Perhaps if this guy had been more of an Alpha and in control of himself, his feelings and his thoughts he could have managed his depression. Been better with the ladies ( instead of such a simp) and this terrible tragedy may never have happened.

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Countdown to the first Male Entitlement / Toxic Masculinity Female Typist Queef in 5... 4...

Sure, but to be fair, just as as predictable are the guys in the manosphere saying game could have saved the day. And that conversation has arrived right on schedule. It's a bit hypocritical if we don't acknowledge both. People tend to view the world and talk about it in terms of their own ideologies.

Quote: (03-28-2015 05:45 AM)Lucky Wrote:  

http://www.ibtimes.com/germanwings-co-pi...le-1862484


It calls to mind an old Satoshi Kanazawa article:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the...t-laid-iii

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In reality, however, women do often say no to men. (In my experience, they always do.) This is why men throughout history have had to conquer foreign lands, win battles and wars, compose symphonies, author books, write sonnets, paint portraits and cathedral ceilings, make scientific discoveries, play in rock bands, and write new computer software, in order to impress women so that they will agree to have sex with them. There would be no civilization, no art, no literature, no music, no Beatles, no Microsoft, if sex and mating were a male choice. Men have built (and destroyed) civilizations in order to impress women so that they might say yes. Women are the reason men do everything.

I don't know man. I don't like these over simplifications.

How does this theory explain Leonardo da Vinci then? The dude was gay yet obsessed over becoming immortal by means of creation.

That example alone should be enough to convince anyone that his little theory can't be accurate. Plus there are countless others in which it's clear that pussy cannot have been even AMONG the motivators for big things that were set in motion.

Even evolutionary psychologists sometimes lose themselves in a fantasy world that their theories created.

Ridley's book "The Red Queen" on evolutionary psychology which was nominated for the Rhône-Poulenc Prize in 1994 (!!!) featured a section in which he explains that the one-night stand is a male fantasy that does not exist in reality because in his little science brain it wouldn't make sense for a female to have sex without locking down a provider.

Think about that. An applauded scientist said that. In a published book. In 1994.

And don't tell me how we have come so far in the last 20 years. The amount of bullshit brought forward by so-called scientists is still enormous.

And that paragraph by Kanazawa just proves my point.

Art is the single answer to anyone who says it's all about the pussy. I can't think of any artist who would ever suggest their work is about sex. Art's done to bring meaning to the world and confront our perceptions of reality first and in order for the artist to eat second. The allegation that men are slaves to pussy is misandrist.

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Art is the single answer to anyone who says it's all about the pussy. I can't think of any artist who would ever suggest their work is about sex. Art's done to bring meaning to the world and confront our perceptions of reality first and in order for the artist to eat second. The allegation that men are slaves to pussy is misandrist.

Good response, exactly.

Too much oversimplification of what is a very complex problem. "Game" isn't going to stop men from committing suicide any more than business advice on RVF is going to end world poverty. If we've learned anything from feminism, when every problem or situation is viewed through an ideological lens, conclusions just start sounding stupid.

Way too much of this in the manosphere:

Quote: (03-27-2015 07:06 AM)Class-8 Wrote:  

This is really sad. People trust these guys to get them there, you know? Some people on that plane had dreams, hopes, and opportunities waiting at their destinations. When I flew to my current location I had ambitions, but the people on this plane had their hopes destroyed because of this.

This is the same with how I feel.

The Lubitz young co-pilot is the product of the modern society:

he knows he would be punished and lose his license
and his job if he would talk about his mental diseases, so he chooses
to hide them

His solipsistic girlfriend also does not warn anyone,
until 150 people are killed without any chance left for them.

However the real criminals here are
the companies Lufthansa/Germanwings who made all of these possible
by leaving a guy who had serious psychiatric disorders,
panic attacks and paranoia,
alone at the commands of the lives of 150 innocent people.

while knowing that "pilot suicide" are not rare at all:
24 (TWENTY FOUR!!!!) pilots suicided in United States,
separately, while flying their aircrafts.

Clearly the rules must change: the safest would be that 2 or
3 professionals (pilots or flight engineers)
to always be in the cockpit at all times.

The Lufthansa/Germanwings CEO are even at this moment
still bullshitting the whole world that Lubitz was healthy and fit to fly...

Quote: (03-28-2015 07:57 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Art is the single answer to anyone who says it's all about the pussy. I can't think of any artist who would ever suggest their work is about sex. Art's done to bring meaning to the world and confront our perceptions of reality first and in order for the artist to eat second. The allegation that men are slaves to pussy is misandrist.

Great point. Also, gay men often achieve big things, and they can get partners anytime they want without having to really do anything.

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I hate to say I told you so but it seems that Game does indeed save lives. Perhaps if this guy had been more of an Alpha and in control of himself, his feelings and his thoughts he could have managed his depression. Been better with the ladies ( instead of such a simp) and this terrible tragedy may never have happened.

Grow up.

Concerning gay men and artists, I think they have the same wiring in their brain that yearns to impress others just as straight men trying to get laid do. It's not as if the drive to create and impress disappears because nature made a mistake and created a gay man. And for every artist dying for their art, there are dozens of aspiring rock stars trying to get laid. Often we are not even aware that pussy is our goal, we push it out of our minds and convince ourselves that we are aspiring to something greater.

This reminds me of women who claim that they only wear make up and dress up for themselves. Sure, it might be for themselves, but it's also about impressing men. Women also like to claim it's about impressing women rather than men. But of course that is not entirely accurate, they want to signal status by looking the best out of the bunch of women in order to secure the best mate.

To use Heartiste's terminology: Getting pussy is the prime directive, art is the side effect.

Though ironically we have to act as if the reverse is true in order to fulfill the principle.

Lubitz facebook profile shows that his only favourite book was
"The pains and sufferings of young Werther"
the famous book from 1774 that inspired the largest number of suicides
in Germany and all over the world since its first publication.

There is even a name in psychiatry for this: "Werther effect"

This book still drives people to kill themselves, even at more 230
years since its first publication

Why do women create art then, too?

@Lucky

Some men get so caught up in their passion or their drive to create something lasting that they forsake women and/or sex completely. Or at least it becomes a very low and rare priority. For other creative men, other people of either sex are never much of a interest for them.

The model you're describing seems far to simplistic.

Anyhow, this thread is getting pretty far off tangent for such a tragic topic.Maybe we should bring it back around.

Quote: (03-28-2015 09:54 AM)micha Wrote:  

Why do women create art then, too?

@micha

I can't recall where I read it exactly, but one theory is that (paraphrasing poorly here) creating art is basically a way to get people to like us. Humans are social, and by getting people on our side it increases our odds of survival. That said, there are still far more great male artists.

@Beyond Borders

I know that there are men who aspire to a higher calling. What I'm saying is that for the most part, for most men, that doesn't hold true. The evolutionary psychology model isn't perfect, I get that. But before anything else, we are animals first.

In any case, I agree. We can end this tangent here.

I don't know, I really believe some people just enjoy giving value to the world, not because they want people to like them.

Game doesn't save lives.

Dudes like this are so fucked in the head they could never learn enough game to overcome their faggotry.

Quote: (03-27-2015 01:59 PM)72 and sunny Wrote:  

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Having two people in the cockpit would make it highly unlikely that one of them will bring down an aircraft. If a flight attendant goes berserk, the pilot calls for the other pilot. If the pilot loses it, the flight attendant is there to open the door.

Guys, there's something called mathematics.

In any given situation when one of the pilots is left by himself in the cockpit he may or may not proceed to down the plane. Now, if you introduce another person (flight attendant) into the cockpit that person ads his very own "(s)he may or may not proceed to down the plane" risk. Now you have two people who may or may not be up to no good whereby before you had one. In other words, additional person increases odds (of havoc) by virtue of his mere presence (especially unvetted, untrained), even if that person (arguably) also slightly offsets the pilot's original intention with that same physical presence.

Besides, there's also further increased risk of terrorist and crazies rushing the cockpit door with (more) frequent and/or longer door openings.

Again, the fact that you have that scenario today in the US, only shows how deep the rabbit hole goes. Increased risk is actually sold to general sheep as increased safety. Nothing is what it seems in the Matrix.

Dude, there's something called conditional probability in mathematics.

Creating art is also the manifestation of humans' desire for immortality. Sex is another manifestation of such desire. To attain immortality, you either create work that will outlast you, or you make children to replace you.

Quote: (03-27-2015 08:22 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Well I guess the "game can save lives" guys were right all along.

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As the hunt continued for a motive for Lubitz’s mass murder, it also emerged that he had recently split from his girlfriend, and appeared to have made a desperate last attempt to win her back by buying her a brand new Audi car only weeks ago. She appeared to have said no, as the car was never delivered

Glad to know Guitarman and I got it right, even though it was pure speculation.

Lubitz was as Omega as one can get: he put one pussy on a pedestal, got dumped, and instead of gaming some new pussy he massmurdered 149 innocent people.

Honestly I wonder what psychos like this guy's test levels are like?

Quote: (03-28-2015 10:23 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Game doesn't save lives.

Dudes like this are so fucked in the head they could never learn enough game to overcome their faggotry.

It depends on how you define Game. If Game is simply seducing women, then what you say is probably true. But if Game is the larger understanding of masculinity and a man's relationship to the world, then I would disagree. I feel like the definition of Game has started to include the latter more and more. Maybe what we've called "Game" in the past has become part of something else now, Roosh's post gives it a name: neomasculinity, and I do think it would have helped.

A big reason why modern men need to learn Game is because our society does not teach men how to be men anymore. Game was just one aspect of a masculine upbringing that was learned through exposure and experience and reinforced with socialization. This was a process that started at boyhood. A large number of traits that we attribute to Game (strength, being opinionated, charming, intelligent, working hard, being witty, not taking shit from others) was simply called "Being a Man" for most of history. It's only because we have now lost it that we have to give it a name and rediscover it.

People like our pilot pal and other males-gone-bad don't form in a vacuum. They are products of a society that not only fails to guide them into manhood but also actively teaches them the wrong way to be a man. All these males on the brink are completely screwed. They have some feeling that something is wrong but they don't know how to deal with it. They don't have the mental tools, moral framework, psychological understanding, or strong community that can steer them away from dark thoughts. And the reason why is because all of those things that could have saved them have been destroyed by our society.

There's tons of these guys out there. We don't hear about them because they usually eat a bullet in private instead of taking out a bunch of people. The rising suicide rate of men is proof of this.

We've effectively built a deranged society that forces men and women to act against their own natures and interests and now we are reaping what we've sown. Someone on this board made the prediction that it's only going to get worse as people become more unhinged, and they have only been proven correct.

So would learning how to be (or act like) a player help a guy like our pilot or Elliot Rodger or any of the unhinged betas and omegas? Probably not. They wouldn't listen. Or they would apply the lessons wrongly. But building a strong masculine identity, moral framework and understanding of the world would have given him a fighting chance.