Having sex with a condom is like driving a fast car in congested traffic.

It feels nice, but you're deprived of its maximum potential.

For me, this translates to going soft on the second round if needing to wear a condom. So, it's a bit of a catch 22. Fucking the chick raw will enable me to stay hard for multiple sessions, but wrapping up will desensitise my dick, and leave the chick thinking that I'm not really that good in bed (and therefore make her potentially question whether I'm worth seeing again).

If she’s a chick that’s not worth seeing again, then I’ll usually just go one round with a condom and be done with it.

I've never used a condom on one of my bottom bitches that I've been seeing for over 12 months. If you're in control and pull out when you're supposed to, pregnancy isn't even really a concern (yes, I know about pre-cum).

I even occasionally cum inside her, and she's not on any birth control. If you know your chicks menstrual cycle (and her fertile period), you can do this safely.

So, I'm definitely team raw-dog, and fully understand and accept the risk I'm taking.

Every time I see this thread come up, I think: "Oh shit, here's another horror story."

Personally, I'll only raw dog girls I've gotten to know, like LTR'S. If its a one night stand, I'll always wrap up, unless I'm really shit-faced. The only close calls I've had were three girls I've had to get to take Plan B's that I busted inside or were close to. I may be paranoid, but I'm scared to death of someone pulling some baby-mama shit on me. I don't take any chances.

I raw dog far to often and hate myself afterwards. Just raw dogged last week and am jumping at even the slightess uncomfortable feeling I sense. I keep telling myself not to do it, but when things heat up, it's impossible. When I was with my ex, I raw dogged every single time and ploughed deeper when finishing. Doing all that fucked me up because I was an avid condom user before, but after I know how good raw dogging feels, I just can't control myself.

Hoping to get a gf or married so I have a proper reason not to plough randoms anymore.

Quote: (08-02-2012 10:56 AM)slubu Wrote:  

I'm way more scared of pregnancy than any STDs. I should probably bag it more than I do, but I only make sure to do it under certain scenarios (i.e. with a stripper I went out with). Otherwise it's 75/25 bag vs. no bag. If I'm drunk, if she's hot, etc. I bend the rules. And given I now know it's almost impossible to get aids, I'm a bit more lax.

But you're 100% right, everytime after you get a little burn when peeing or even the slightest thing looks wrong with your dick, you're like oh fuck what did I do, etc. So far though, so good. One mild scare that went away easily. Having a kid is 1000x worse in my eyes. Herpes or kid? Give me the herp.

Pregnancy will cost you 25% of your salary for 18 years.
Let that sink in for a minute.

Quote: (03-22-2015 09:53 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Quote: (08-02-2012 10:56 AM)slubu Wrote:  

I'm way more scared of pregnancy than any STDs. I should probably bag it more than I do, but I only make sure to do it under certain scenarios (i.e. with a stripper I went out with). Otherwise it's 75/25 bag vs. no bag. If I'm drunk, if she's hot, etc. I bend the rules. And given I now know it's almost impossible to get aids, I'm a bit more lax.

But you're 100% right, everytime after you get a little burn when peeing or even the slightest thing looks wrong with your dick, you're like oh fuck what did I do, etc. So far though, so good. One mild scare that went away easily. Having a kid is 1000x worse in my eyes. Herpes or kid? Give me the herp.

Pregnancy will cost you 25% of your salary for 18 years.

Let that sink in for a minute.

Pregnancy will cost you 25% of your salary for 18 years. IF you have the kid in the anglosphere.


Never having a kid:will cause your particular genetic line to disappear forever.
(If you have nephews/nieces to some degree cousins it's not such a complete loss. )

Usually wear a condom, but I'd be lying if I said I was 100% consistent with it. Especially if I'm a little soft, then I go fuck it and go raw in order to stay hard. If I do that, I make sure I pull out in time.

I always make sure to drop my first load down her throat when possible. It takes a little more effort for
the subsequent ones so it's pretty safe to smash the poosy after dropping the first one.

Guys if your dick goes limp then she needs to give you a BJ with the condom on. This is not rocket science. Also if you want to increase sensitivity go no fap for 2 days before you fuck and you will get in 2-3 rounds easily condom or not.

At the end of the day though I don't care what she thinks, if she is too stupid to recognize that condoms reduce sensitivity and gets personally offended she is too dumb for you too fuck. Unfortunately this means 9 out of 10 women you really should not be fucking. Because if she gets pregnant when you raw dog it she will pass those same stupid genes onto your kids. Also age is a factor. Many of you don't want to touch post-wall chicks but if you are going to be risky and raw dog they are the best candidates for that because they aren't as fertile.

Also one thing to note it can sometimes be 35% of your gross income in certain jurisdictions for 21 years if the child enrolls in college. Not to mention your medical premiums and Out of Pocket expenses will be higher because you need to pay for the family plan now.

That's actually good advice, especially the no fapping rule. Will definitely try that next time.

I know I've raw dogged far more girls than I should have... paid the price once or twice, but never with anything permanent. Just gotta be willing to accept the consequences.

I am trying to get better about this, because I know it's just a matter of time before I'm totally fucked in one way or another.

Quote: (03-21-2015 07:16 PM)Windom Earle Wrote:  

I even occasionally cum inside her, and she's not on any birth control. If you know your chicks menstrual cycle (and her fertile period), you can do this safely.

You'll be a Dad soon.

When I rawdog I make a point to urinate right after and of course wash down there.

Anyone else employ other measures to reduce contracting something?

"Anyone else employ other measures to reduce contracting something?"
^
*Pee a good amount and wipe well after ejaculating, before going back in raw.
*Avoid going from anus into vagina (I recently described my terrible experience with cystitis caused by aforementioned A2V)
*Be cautious if a girl has an unusual vaginal odour or never seems to get wet enough, or if her vaginal mucus seems to be less than you'd expect it to be.

All these are lessons from first-hand experience

Quote: (03-21-2015 06:39 PM)Distant Light Wrote:  

The better question would be to to ask, how many people actually ever caught something?

I've been sexually promiscuous doing all sorts of wild stuff with multiple partners, never caught nothing. Only had 2 friends who got an STD that was curable, ironically though 2 of my girls have stated they had an STD in the past. (This is when I told them about my STD scare where I was misdiagnosed and had nothing)

IMO the worst thing is simply getting a chick pregnant...

Part in bold above is VERY true. All of you who talk about continuing your genetic line aren't considering having to watch your kid grow up most likely controlled by a woman that you have no real compatibility with as parents and paying her a lot of money to support your child and her having next to zero accountability for that money.

DistantLight - That's just confirmation bias. The studies out there are plenty robust that nobody should be relying on other people's experiences raw dogging.

There are a lot of myths about how precum or what I call postcum (cum left inside your unerected penis after sex) end up impregnating women sometimes. After reading Sperm Wars, it seems impossible. Couples try rawdogging and busting inside for months before they can have babies, and they are aware of their fertile periods too. To think that your precum or postcum can have enough sperm cells that survive to reach her egg sounds paranoid. I admit, I too am paranoid and abandon reason when the thought of fathering a kid comes to my head right after I rawdog a girl.

But is there any member here who can personally confirm this myth? Did anyone have a child without busting inside a girl, just by precum or postcum?

I read on here that precum doesn't contain sperm but post cum does.

Certainly we have to know that it only takes one.

I can say that a single sexual encounter lead to my child being born which pretty much fucked 4 years of my life (I'm only just now staring to sort my shit out). Obviously that one encounter will shape the rest of my life as I try to avoid the poisonous shit from my ex while having a relationship with the child.

Quote: (03-26-2015 07:35 AM)Soaked Wrote:  

I read on here that precum doesn't contain sperm but post cum does.

Precum may contain a very tiny amount of sperm. While it's not probable, theoratically it's possible, as you put it, it only takes 1 cell. But you shouldn't worry about the probability of something when you have better chance of getting hit by a meteor.

Postcum certainly contains. But you don't get her pregnant when your sperm enters her pussy, it's a long and dangerous way from labia to the promised lands. You can picture it literally like a war, as described in Sperm Wars. The probability of that few male soldiers penetrating such strong female enemy lines would be a miracle. Kinda like 300 Spartans.

That's why I call it a myth and that's why I'm curious if it ever happened to anyone.

You produce MILLIONS of sperm each day. It's simply not worth the risk.

Quote: (03-26-2015 07:56 AM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

Quote: (03-26-2015 07:35 AM)Soaked Wrote:  

I read on here that precum doesn't contain sperm but post cum does.

Precum may contain a very tiny amount of sperm. While it's not probable, theoratically it's possible, as you put it, it only takes 1 cell. But you shouldn't worry about the probability of something when you have better chance of getting hit by a meteor.

Postcum certainly contains. But you don't get her pregnant when your sperm enters her pussy, it's a long and dangerous way from labia to the promised lands. You can picture it literally like a war, as described in Sperm Wars. The probability of that few male soldiers penetrating such strong female enemy lines would be a miracle. Kinda like 300 Spartans.

That's why I call it a myth and that's why I'm curious if it ever happened to anyone.

Dr. Drew adamantly denies that the pullout method is effective, he claimed precum contains a high amount of sperm.

Quote: (03-26-2015 07:08 AM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

There are a lot of myths about how precum or what I call postcum (cum left inside your unerected penis after sex) end up impregnating women sometimes. After reading Sperm Wars, it seems impossible. Couples try rawdogging and busting inside for months before they can have babies, and they are aware of their fertile periods too. To think that your precum or postcum can have enough sperm cells that survive to reach her egg sounds paranoid. I admit, I too am paranoid and abandon reason when the thought of fathering a kid comes to my head right after I rawdog a girl.

But is there any member here who can personally confirm this myth? Did anyone have a child without busting inside a girl, just by precum or postcum?

This sparked my interest and I did a bit of search. Obviously conducting a representative study on the subject is complicated with difficulty of separating true pre-ejaculation cases.

However, here is a discussion with reports.
Actual Cases Of Pre-Cum Causing Pregnancy?

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I work in an aboriton clinic, so of course I see women everyday who said their husbands, boyfriends, or lovers "pulled out" before ejaculating...
I would not consider PULL OUT a method of birth control, unless you want an aboriton to back it up..

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i just wanted to let you and anyone else out there that it most definatly IS possible to get pregnant from pre cum.my boyfriend and i start having sex unprotected then use condoms about halfway through,we have been doing this for about 2 years-last week i found out im pregnant-he's never cum inside me-

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I moderate 4 sex forums and visit over 10. There have been many woman who pass through the forums who have gotten pregnant off of just precum. I've even heard of a few cases of girls who were on the pill when that happened. Strange, but possible apparently.

Quote: (03-26-2015 11:32 AM)Clark Wrote:  

This sparked my interest and I did a bit of search. Obviously conducting a representative study on the subject is complicated with difficulty of separating true pre-ejaculation cases.

While this is not conclusive, I would be very interested to see the results of further study. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-ejaculate

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Popular belief – dating back to a 1966 Masters & Johnson study[10] – states that pre-ejaculate may contain sperm that can cause pregnancy, which is a common basis of argument against the use of coitus interruptus (withdrawal) as a contraceptive method. However, some studies have found that withdrawal could be almost as effective as condoms in preventing pregnancy.[11] There have been several small-scale studies (sample sizes ranging from 4 to 23)[4] that conclude no sperm is present, and thus, pre-ejaculate is ineffectual at causing pregnancy.[1][2][3]

A noted limitation to these previous studies' findings is that pre-ejaculate samples were analyzed after the critical two-minute point. That is, looking for motile sperm in small amounts of pre-ejaculate via microscope after two minutes – when the sample has most likely dried – makes examination and evaluation "extremely difficult."[4] Thus, in March 2011 a team of researchers assembled 27 male volunteers and analyzed their pre-ejaculate samples within two minutes after producing them. The researchers found that 11 of the 27 men (41%) produced pre-ejaculatory samples that contained sperm, and 10 of these samples (37%) contained a "fair amount" of motile sperm (i.e. as few as 1 million to as many as 35 million).[4] As a point of reference, a study showed that, of couples who conceived within a year of trying, only 2.5% included a male partner with a total sperm count (per ejaculate) of 23 million sperm or less.[12] However, across a wide range of observed values, total sperm count (as with other identified semen and sperm characteristics) has weak power to predict which couples are at risk of pregnancy

Sure sounds like it's very possible that there can be significant amounts of sperm in pre-cum, certainly enough to cause pregnancy.

I feel like sometimes this conversation gets split into 2 different arguments. The guys that talk about how their fuck buddies are on the pill, or how they pull out and it's never been a problem, or that there is no sperm in pre-cum, etc. Fine. That's only one danger though. You're forgetting stds.

Outside of abstinence, what is the most effective method to simultaneously battle both unwanted pregnancy and stds?

Go look in the condom thread in the noob section, many dudes are touting crown brand condoms as the go to. Apparently they're what the pornstars use and you can't even feel them. A layer of protection you can't even feel + the added benefit of feeling safe. I'm not sure why this debate is even a thing.

The only pro that raw dogging has is temporary sensation. The cons though, are beast.

The cons are potentially LIFE ENDING...

In the sense that your social life can be OVER whether from HIV or a Child.

My ex-gf (of three years) refused to take the pill, and required a rubber every time we banged. Pull-out method was not good enough for her. And that was for some pretty milquetoast sex at that...

Current LTR and I are well aware of her fertile days but other than those days (which are usually just beej's or anal) I'm going in raw every chance I get. I'm at the point now where I'm comfortable enough to throw precaution to the wayside, especially since the risk of STD is so minimal.

You can probably guess which scenario is more satisfying.