Quote: (01-22-2015 07:12 PM)TonySandos Wrote:
This photo capture is an attempt at propaganda in itself and I'll explain why.
Quote: (01-22-2015 05:24 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:
You underestimate how ignorant so many people in this country are.
You open up the scene with him killing a muslim woman and child.. and its instant justifcation for people to do stuff like this
I decided to pay attention to the twitter respondents on the tag as it poured in to see what the majority sentiment and commentary was. Most people simply said it was good, the second largest sentiment unfortunately stated that it was the best movie ever made. Clearly this people know not of better cinematography. What seemed to be the third most stated opinion was that people left the theater quietly, as if awe struck. That's quite a statement, but can't be verified and I doubt that will actually translate to the public's behaviors being more insightful and responsible on contemplating issues around war. Nothing ever seems to do that.
Then there was this picture that was spread around by Rania Khalek, an Arabic and feminist reporter who's page states, "fuck objectivity, it's bullshit". I looked through all the 'microblogs' to guess and estimate of the total percentage of people making those kind of opinions.
I found small amount of people with this sentiment by search using the keywords to pinpoint them. Based on the overall size of twitter users, how many people it takes to 'trend' a tag, the amount of bigotry was minimal, a hand full in terms of numbers.
This is why I'm against seeing race or racism in everything. If you look at Rania Khalek's page you'll see her vitriol in plain view. She's a pretty bigoted person herself and toes the line on most typical feminists views. If you believe this picture is an accurate representation of the public, you're allowing a hateful purpose like Khalek to make the truth for you.
Quote: (01-22-2015 05:54 PM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:
I get what you're saying...but there is also a big difference between World War 2 and the Iraq War.
I don't like how the constant moral superiority of WW2 is flaunted by anti-war people on a regular basis and how it's permeates everything when discussing the Iraq war. I tend to see this as an obvious attack on the character of military people instead of the crony politicians when it's combined with questioning the character of a particular military persons. That's what your retort was, so I have to believe that this is your point and that's pretty uncalled for.
Would anyone guess that WW2 veterans have gave me the 'thank you for serving' talk before? They see the same thing that I know that the general public seems to miss.
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Tillman gave up millions (and eventually his life) fighting in a conflict that he first supported and after careful thought came to disagree with...yet he fought for and with his men.
That's actually most military sentiment, but the military can't throw down arms because they disagree with something or let wars be fought where only people with bad motives are the participants.
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Anyway, I thought it was good. It was one of the more accurate Iraq war movies to come out and gave a good idea of what that was like for Chris Kyle. Hurt locker was another good one, but it edged on ridiculous many times with him leaving the FOB casually, doing patrols practically by themselves, every dramatic scene you hear jet sounds over head.
I have a hard time believing that Kyle was some psychopath. People did the same to the "lone survivor" guy because his politics weren't self-loathing apologetic crap.
We'll be plagued by the same politics surrounding war that are similar to the kind that lost the Vietnam war when the public succumbed to propaganda while the Viet Cong were numerically and strategically defeated. After that, the Chinese reinforced them and they restructured, Just as AQ is making final push in both Iraq and Afghanistan now.
Al Qaeda=ISIS=Mahdi Army=Tamil Tigers=etc.
Only politicians make distinctions between groups of people that all want to accomplish the same thing; murder swathes of ideological enemies, tyrannically impose their religious dogma on an entire population and force conversion to their way of life or die.
Thank you for this Tony.