Quote: (01-18-2015 09:28 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Quote: (01-18-2015 12:17 PM)CRR Wrote:  

Every guy in this story failed.

Bryce didn't.

All seriousness, for a story of "brutal honesty" the minimisation and self-justification on hand in her account is extraordinary--

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I wish it weren't true that the moment my fiancé, *Paul, slipped that diamond on my finger, I immediately started mourning the loss of the only true love I’d known: *Bryce.

So it's okay to cheat on your husband so long as it's with your "one true love".

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Why was Bryce contacting me? Why now? Was he seriously happy for the life I had chosen with Paul that would forever keep me out of his?

Note her belief that Bryce is unhappy because she won't be in his life. Note that in combination with her literal fantasies that Bryce is somewhere pining for her and will one day call her up.

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This is where everything started to spiral. Up or down? I’m still not sure. All I know is, from the moment that text hit my phone, I made the worst decisions that led to some of the best moments of my life.

Rationalisation again: it's okay to cheat on your husband so long as you get good tingles out of it. She doesn't go quite to the standby stereotype that "Everything happens for a reason" here, but this is seriously fucked up stuff.

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I met Paul at my friend Melissa’s wedding. He was conveniently assigned to the chair next to mine. I found out later that “we” were planned all along. Conversation flowed, and so did the wine. Before we knew it, we were involved in a kind of sliding that could easily be considered electric.

Still rationalisation: she implicitly suggests she was 'fooled' into this relationship, which makes it easier for her to cheat on it as it wasn't really her choice to hook up with Paul.

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A year and a half passed. He was everything my parents wanted for me with his clean-cut looks and dedicated nature. Paul’s the exact opposite of everything I am, which is the exact reason I married him. He gave my life the security I was in desperate need of.

In passing, if Paul, being clean-cut and a dedicated man, is the completely opposite of what she is, that would indicate she was a skank with no foresight or endurance. That aside, again we see the rationalisation at hand. "I didn't marry him because I loved him, I married him for security, so again because I didn't love him it's okay to cheat on him."

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The day we got married, there were 40-mile-an-hour winds, a monsoon rainstorm, and all I could think about was Bryce. It was the 13th of March and all the unlucky omens associated with that number seemed to conspire against me making me second-guess my disbelief in superstitions.

Again, rationalisation of her decision to cheat: God deemed this marriage was the wrong thing to do, so even God is in support of her fucking Bryce (me, if it was supernatural I'd call it God trying to scream down at Paul "YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT AND SHE IS A FUCKING SKANK, EVEN MY SON IS SAYING GTFO, MAN, THAT BITCH IS GONNA BE YOUR TEN PLAGUES.")

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Six months later, I became the liar and cheater and everything in between that I loathed in a person.

Note the language here: "the" liar, "the cheater". Not "I became a liar and a cheater". It's a small point, but the passive voice again reveals an unwillingness to really concede to herself she actually fucking did these things.

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“I’m in your neck of the woods,” I sent in a text. “Come meet me.”

So again note: Bryce doesn't initiate the adultery. Her tingling was so great she sought him out.

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I even told Paul that an ex-coworker was coming to see me and he would be here soon. He left like he knew. It was like my infidelity was hiding in plain site. Neither of us wanted to confront the elephant in the room.

This is possibly the biggest rationalisation and attempt to shift blame of the lot: that Paul has supposedly given tacit permission for her to cheat, and that it's tacitly his fault for her cheating because he didn't put his foot down and stop it.

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“Wow, you guys must have some kind of trust,” a new friend acquired by alcohol and dancing said through inebriated words. “I’d never allow that.”

In passing, but I strongly doubt this case of in vino veritas. Unless said friend is male (a point left silent) and had taken the Red Pill can anyone really see this arrangement coming up in discussion at a fucking wedding in the Blue Pill heartland? I see this rather as supporting the rationalisation of the cheating as obvious and further putting blame on Paul for permitting it.

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Not even 20 minutes had passed when Bryce drove up.

Again an attempt to blame others than herself: the inclusion of this detail is meant to suggest Bryce is hot for it and did not give her time to think about it, which defeats itself seeing as she called him.

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“Are you sure you want to do this?” he asked.

I'm not actually convinced this really happened either, though if Bryce did say it, the guy's got balls for turning up on a DTF chick and trolling for last minute resistance. Smells more like added drama for the story. This remark has much more the flavour of trying to paint Bryce as a cold guy who's determined to get unequivocal consent if it comes to legal proceedings later on - in the same way that a fraudster can blithely say to a court "Well, I asked her if she was sure."

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I lifted my dress in acceptance and consummated the long-lost love I had thought was gone forever...

Again rationalisation: cheating is okay so long as it's with your one true love.

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I was addicted and in love. Blinded by lust, it seemed clear what I had to do.

Rationalisation: if it's an addiction to one man's cock (as opposed to real addictions like heroin) you're apparently not to blame.

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The look on his face when I closed the door on our marriage and our home for the last time will stay with me forever. He thought I was coming back. I knew I wasn’t.

Subtle, but still a rationalisation. Saying he thought I was coming back is a puzzling remark unless you look at it through the frame that she's trying to portray him as a controlling sort of guy who doesn't think she can function in the real world.

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For the next two days, I sobbed alone on my bathroom floor. Every teardrop represented a lie my body needed to purge in order to move on from the monster I had become.

Yes, because if you cry about something the lies you've told disappear.

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Then, just like that, it was over. I woke up, looked in the mirror and applied cover up to the puffy, red lumps that occupied my eye sockets, and promised myself to never be so dumb again. I called my landlord and told her I wouldn’t be renewing my lease, sold everything I owned and moved to New York City, my first love that wasn’t Bryce, with nothing but four bags of belongings to my name. To many, I had nothing. To me, I finally had it all.

The psychopathy here is astounding. Most well-adjusted people take weeks, even months, to get over the guilt involved when you destroy another person and indeed when you fuck up your own life. In this case, she's able to just cut off the guilt and grief cold after a few tears and then walk away like nothing happened.

On the other hand, jumping up and running like hell for New York is consistent with (though not identical to) a fugue state - where a person experiences a Dissociative Fugue, defined by the DSM-IV as:

- sudden, unexpected travel away from home or one's customary place of work, with inability to recall one's past,
- confusion about personal identity, or the assumption of a new identity, or
- significant distress or impairment.

No amnesia here, of course, but running away like this seems a physical manifestation of a psychological desire to distance one's self from one's problems, and run away from the person who did the horrible things they did.

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Bryce contacted me one more time after my move. I looked down at my phone at his cowardly attempt to hook me yet again, and ignored him. He was back, but he didn’t get to get me back.

Rationalisation since she never actually had him, nor he her. She was a casual fuck buddy to him and nothing else; there is no indication they ever did anything that would indicate a LTR was in progress after she began cheating on her husband. Also note the "hook me again", which is a bit odd since she initiated the cheating to begin with. Again, it's an attempt to throw the blame on Bryce, not on herself.

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Paul has since moved on. It’s quite evident by the pictures I see plastered in my Facebook newsfeed. Him and his girlfriend in her slinky black dress are happily posed beside the front door of our first home.

I’ve seen every bouquet of flowers he’s surprised her with since I’ve moved on and she moved in. I remember when he used to do that for me. I wonder if he writes the same messages on sticky notes telling her to have a good day and that no matter what would happen, she will always have his love.

Some rationalisation, but she's incapable of removing the venom and the misdirected fury from her tone. She tells herself Paul's moved on in an attempt to convince herself it all worked out for the best, but the references to "our" first home and smugly saying she's seen the bouquets of flowers he's given his next wife are laced with pure hate of Paul for daring to move on. The tone is as if Paul has cheated on her, which strikes me as projection in the extreme.

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The night before I moved to New York, Paul took me out to dinner and cried. That was over a year ago and the last time I saw his face. I wish I could say I’m sorry for breaking his heart. I wish I could tell him I’m sure I’ll never find anyone that will treat me as well as he did because history proves I’ve never loved the nice ones.

The rationalisation "history proves I've never loved the nice ones" is obvious, but again the psychopathy: can't even say she's sorry for breaking his heart, even when there's not one hint that he did anything wrong to her in the course of their relationship. Fucking hell, the guy even took her out to dinner after she'd left him and when she was about to skip town. Want to bet he paid for the meal?

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But what history also tries to prove is that I’m more likely to cheat in the future because of my past. But in my case, all of the betrayals that gave life to the monster inside me are dead and gone. I’ll never do it again.

Rationalisation and self-justification again. Where is the period of introspection, of testing of one's boundaries and limits, to evidence the assertion that the betrayals are dead and gone? What the hell does "the betrayals are dead and gone" mean? Saying history "tries to prove" is also a bit odd since she says further up the page that "history proves" she doesn't love the nice ones. So does history dictate her behaviour, or doesn't it?

All of that aside, Christ Almighty, she's more or less made everyone in this account identifiable, to her friends at least if not the world at large. Wonder who'll be first to file a defamation suit.

A sizable percentage of the xojane commenters are going in on her. Of course there is the usual "eat pray love" contingent whining that she is being "honest" and is "brave for putting it out there" and "she grew from the experience and is in a better place" as well but there are readers who are utterly disgusted with her behaviour. The commenters grilled the author who is participating in the comments section about whether she asked permission from her ex-husband to write the story and she admitted that she didn't...of course not seeing anything wrong with it as it's "HER" story. She later stated that her ex husband just unfriended her on facebook. Someone else who seems to know her asked if she wasn't ashamed to ask for half of the assets and that sent the author on a tizzy. A lot of the disapproving comments are getting deleted however. Some of the comments below are from obviously female readers. I like the last one best as she identified the damage that the "Eat Pray Love" phenomena wreaks on people.

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"You seem like a terrible, completely self-involved, narcissist. Good luck finding future dudes when they can Google this shit."

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"So incredibly selfish. Not only did you know you didn't love your husband, but you barely waited until the ink was dry on the marriage certificate before shagging your ex who clearly just wanted a booty call. Marriage is hard and there are plenty of temptations that come along the way - sometimes it's not the love that keeps you from acting, but a respect you have for your spouse and for yourself. Think about all those tears you cried when Bryce didn't want to screw you anymore. How many times have you thought about Paul's tears or how he felt after he was in a fraud of a marriage. This wasn't even a story about how marriage is tested or relationships change over the years - but about a selfish, immature woman who wanted it all and then was hurt when her fairy tale didn't work out"

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"Don't you think it's a little unfair to be subjecting your ex husband to this kind of spectacle?

I'm glad you're getting something out of publicising this very painful and embarrassing moment in his life but what about him?"

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"Author, I hope you realize exactly how stupid you were. Even if it wasn't blatantly obvious this guy was using you for sex (as indicated by being an ex who came back when you were in a situation where you were able to have sex with him but unable to commit to him) you'd still have to deal with the fact that nobody in their right mind would commit to a cheater who is willing to throw away a marriage for some hot sex.

I know marriage isn't for everybody but I think you're very naive if you don't realize how much this devalues you as a person that another person will see as long term relationship material. I know you can't change the past but you kind of need to wake up to the future before your "heart" (aka your hormones) keep drawing you into situations where you lose control of yourself.

I mean really, falling asleep drunk outside of a hotel room? Even if Bryce or whatever didn't just want sex with no strings attached, would he actually want to tie his strings to that sort of disaster?"

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"This made me think of the beginning of Eat, Pray, Love. It may have been necessary for you to move to the big city and find your life or whatever, just like Elizabeth Gilbert had to globetrot to find hers, but you both left some serious damage in your wake, and sometimes I feel like as feminists we're supposed to celebrate that or something because you followed your bliss. I don't mean to pile on you or hurt you personally, but I don't like this kind of thing and I won't say "Good for you for finding yourself." It would have been better, and kinder, and more mature if you'd found yourself without tearing someone to pieces in the process.

I know the point is that you *couldn't* be yourself until you'd ruined and lost everything. But that says you were a thoughtless person who should have reflected more on her own needs and wants before tying your life to someone else. I know you get this now, and I'm glad your ex-husband has moved on. I'm not down with this emerging genre of "Woman Finds Herself After Breaking Free From Society's Shackles." We're all adults here. Ladies of the world, be honest and thoughtful and don't let yourself just drift into a *marriage*, for God's sake! From what you've said, Paul is happy now, but I'm willing to bet you cut him deep and changed him as a person, and that wouldn't have happened if you'd taken stock of yourself before you married him.

I've got a killer-deadly ex, too. And if I'm ever lucky enough to find someone who loves me, I'll make damn sure I cut my ex all the way out of my heart before I say "I Do." I don't know how old you were, and youth plays a part, but this didn't have to happen. I hope you can work through it and become a better person"

I'm just glad she was left like the piece of litter she is.

Half tempted to email a link of this thread to Paul.

Quote: (01-18-2015 10:47 PM)Vronsky Wrote:  

She later stated that her ex husband just unfriended her on facebook.

Wait - she divorces him, runs away to New York, and he was still friending her on Fakebook until now??

Quote: (01-18-2015 11:01 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Quote: (01-18-2015 10:47 PM)Vronsky Wrote:  

She later stated that her ex husband just unfriended her on facebook.

Wait - she divorces him, runs away to New York, and he was still friending her on Fakebook until now??

   

Quote: (01-18-2015 10:52 PM)GeroMeroHero Wrote:  

I'm just glad she was left like the piece of litter she is.

Half tempted to email a link of this thread to Paul.

Do it.

Quote: (01-18-2015 11:06 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Quote: (01-18-2015 10:52 PM)GeroMeroHero Wrote:  

I'm just glad she was left like the piece of litter she is.

Half tempted to email a link of this thread to Paul.

Do it.

Do we know who he is?

Quote: (01-18-2015 06:07 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:  

Quote: (01-18-2015 12:17 PM)CRR Wrote:  

Every guy in this story failed. Why? She’s unattractive and obnoxious. Real men worth their salt won’t be competing for women like this. Her photos scream “I’m an attention whore who needs validation”. Reminds me of the girl in this thread:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-40941....ght=reddit

If Paul was indeed successful and making money, there is absolutely no reason he should be involved with a woman like this. If Bryce were truly alpha, he wouldn’t give women like this the time of day.

It sounds like the blue pill got the best of Paul. He was set up by friends, he felt it was time to get married, so he married a dumpy, obnoxious, narcissistic whore.

Men need to know they should never just accept what comes their way. By this I mean, step outside your comfort zone, your social circle. Don’t fall into the “she’s age appropriate” or some other feminist propagated nonsense.

As I’ve mentioned, I’ve been set up with or encountered many women like this. They think they’re hot shit because of any number of ridiculous reasons. It could be their family has money. It could be because they believe men like ‘confident’ women. It could be because they think their job is so important.

But in reality, they’re not ‘hot shit’. Why? Because they are physically unattractive and are ageing rapidly (she looks like she’s in her 40s in that beer photo). Because their attitude sucks. And no man who has held up their end of the bargain (stayed in shape, kept their finances in order, etc.) should EVER even consider a woman like this.

It sucks Paul had to learn the hard way, but perhaps he learned his lesson with the girl in the ‘slinky black dress’, so long as it is attached to a younger, slim body that knows how to be pleasant.

I kinda see your point of view, but I don't think it applies in this situation. Keep in mind that Bryce had this bitch a couple of years ago when she was probably in her prime. He probably invested only a couple of dates to bang this chick and then he was on automated pilot to get repeat Bangs with her.

I don't like this bitch at all, but in her prime she was a hot bitch for sure. An ok married bitch texting you to suck your dick after a year of not seeing you can't be a fail. It's flawless game! He was on her mind! Everything you said about Paul I agree with.

In my humble opinion I don't think she was ever hot. But you have a good point. Likewise...

Quote: (01-18-2015 09:28 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Quote: (01-18-2015 12:17 PM)CRR Wrote:  

Every guy in this story failed.

Bryce didn't.

Haha, fair enough, you got me on that.

Re xojane comments - Took a quick look, and I have to say it was encouraging that even a lot of women piled on her.

There are a few "don't judge her, she's courageous!" comments. To those I would say that fuck yes I'll 'judge' an article that is written with a comments section. It's like saying to someone "I'll tell you if you promise not to get mad", but worse considering only children say such nonsense.

Her website is a joke. I dont see any way it makes a nickle. Just more attention whoring.

I'd love to see someone troll xojane just to post up "Congratulations. From now to the end of time you're going to be Exhibit A in every argument that the manosphere has it right."

Why marry someone after knowing them for a year? At least 3 yearsis enough to get to know someone, I think.

Quote: (01-18-2015 11:32 PM)GeroMeroHero Wrote:  

Quote: (01-18-2015 11:06 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Quote: (01-18-2015 10:52 PM)GeroMeroHero Wrote:  

I'm just glad she was left like the piece of litter she is.

Half tempted to email a link of this thread to Paul.

Do it.

Do we know who he is?

More importantly, do we know which one of you guys is Bryce????

Quote: (01-19-2015 02:27 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

Why marry someone after knowing them for a year? At least 3 yearsis enough to get to know someone, I think.

Actually, a very short time is and has been a perfectly acceptable period to make a decision. Courtships didn't even go on for a year in the past before a decision was made.

Unfortunately, now most people seem to date for years (which makes things real tough for our Christian brothers), but it isn't to "get to know each other."

It's really because marriage isn't a great sell nowadays. People (slightly older men and women who aren't on a fast trip to the way) aren't particularly inclined to get married.

Now, after a few years of dating, the chick (now on a fast trip headed for the way), decides that this is the best she can do and starts pressuring the guy to get married.

The dude, reluctantly agrees, eventually. He figures that since they are having semi-regular sex and pretty much living together (even if they have different places), getting married really isn't a big deal.

They go into debt doing the ceremony and everything else and then she hacks off her hair, puts on 10LB per year for the next decade and only puts out twice a year.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that you need three years to get to know someone. If people were serious about getting marriage (in their prime) and serious about honouring their marriage vows, you wouldn't need three years. You'd need about three months. Maybe six.

Quote: (01-19-2015 02:52 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Quote: (01-18-2015 11:32 PM)GeroMeroHero Wrote:  

Quote: (01-18-2015 11:06 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Quote: (01-18-2015 10:52 PM)GeroMeroHero Wrote:  

I'm just glad she was left like the piece of litter she is.

Half tempted to email a link of this thread to Paul.

Do it.

Do we know who he is?

More importantly, do we know which one of you guys is Bryce????

No one here would ask "are you sure you want to do this?"

Quote: (01-19-2015 03:00 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Quote: (01-19-2015 02:52 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Quote: (01-18-2015 11:32 PM)GeroMeroHero Wrote:  

Quote: (01-18-2015 11:06 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Quote: (01-18-2015 10:52 PM)GeroMeroHero Wrote:  

I'm just glad she was left like the piece of litter she is.

Half tempted to email a link of this thread to Paul.

Do it.

Do we know who he is?

More importantly, do we know which one of you guys is Bryce????

No one here would ask "are you sure you want to do this?"

I wondered whether it might be Little Dark, but given the story did not include a mass slaughter of the wedding guests prior to consummation of the hamster's long-lost love I excluded him from the list of suspects.

Quote: (01-19-2015 03:00 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Quote: (01-19-2015 02:52 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

More importantly, do we know which one of you guys is Bryce????

No one here would ask "are you sure you want to do this?"

Plus - if he were one of us he would be slaying younger hotter pussy by now. While forbidden fruit is always tempting, I doubt that he would have exerted a lot of energy into pursuing her.

Also there is a strong Dark Triad element involved as well. If it truly were my ex I cared about I would not fuck her if she were married - in fact I have refused such offers before. You can seduce anyone, but I do not wish to fuck up someone's relationship over some doubts that person may have regarding her man. In fact in one such case my ex-girlfriend just had a tougher time with her current boyfriend, but she overcame it. She later married the guy and now is happy with 3 children while the guy became much more Alpha by his mid 30s. If I had banged her, I might have disrupted her whole fulfilling life.

Though I am no angel and have fucked married women - I knew that they were doing it non-stop anyway and I was just one of many her husband did not know about.

Quote: (01-19-2015 03:23 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Quote: (01-19-2015 03:00 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Quote: (01-19-2015 02:52 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Quote: (01-18-2015 11:32 PM)GeroMeroHero Wrote:  

Quote: (01-18-2015 11:06 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Do it.

Do we know who he is?

More importantly, do we know which one of you guys is Bryce????

No one here would ask "are you sure you want to do this?"

I wondered whether it might be Little Dark, but given the story did not include a mass slaughter of the wedding guests prior to consummation of the hamster's long-lost love I excluded him from the list of suspects.

I was waiting for the obligatory Little Dark reference.

Quote: (01-19-2015 02:54 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Don't make the mistake of thinking that you need three years to get to know someone. If people were serious about getting marriage (in their prime) and serious about honouring their marriage vows, you wouldn't need three years. You'd need about three months. Maybe six.

In my experience, girls are not very good at hiding who they are, at least if you are red pill and know to read between the lines. They just blurp it out without a single thought that they are revealing a red flag. In three months 99% of them will weed themselves out of the running.

Quote: (01-19-2015 04:19 AM)FilipSRB Wrote:  

Quote: (01-19-2015 02:54 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Don't make the mistake of thinking that you need three years to get to know someone. If people were serious about getting marriage (in their prime) and serious about honouring their marriage vows, you wouldn't need three years. You'd need about three months. Maybe six.

In my experience, girls are not very good at hiding who they are, at least if you are red pill and know to read between the lines. They just blurp it out without a single thought that they are revealing a red flag. In three months 99% of them will weed themselves out of the running.

Very true. If you've had good, wholesome and satisfying relationships in the past with feminine women, you don't need much time to discover the harpies. Throw a couple of shit tests there way and see how they react, its only fair we give it back to them to see if they're worth more

Quote: (01-19-2015 05:00 AM)zombiejimmorrison Wrote:  

Quote: (01-19-2015 04:19 AM)FilipSRB Wrote:  

Quote: (01-19-2015 02:54 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Don't make the mistake of thinking that you need three years to get to know someone. If people were serious about getting marriage (in their prime) and serious about honouring their marriage vows, you wouldn't need three years. You'd need about three months. Maybe six.

In my experience, girls are not very good at hiding who they are, at least if you are red pill and know to read between the lines. They just blurp it out without a single thought that they are revealing a red flag. In three months 99% of them will weed themselves out of the running.

Very true. If you've had good, wholesome and satisfying relationships in the past with feminine women, you don't need much time to discover the harpies. Throw a couple of shit tests there way and see how they react, its only fair we give it back to them to see if they're worth more

My only shit test is making fun. Picked up from dad.
I should ask about more in the Game forum

Quote: (01-19-2015 04:19 AM)FilipSRB Wrote:  

Quote: (01-19-2015 02:54 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Don't make the mistake of thinking that you need three years to get to know someone. If people were serious about getting marriage (in their prime) and serious about honouring their marriage vows, you wouldn't need three years. You'd need about three months. Maybe six.

In my experience, girls are not very good at hiding who they are, at least if you are red pill and know to read between the lines. They just blurp it out without a single thought that they are revealing a red flag. In three months 99% of them will weed themselves out of the running.

The best way I found is throwing a girl the feminist themes and seeing what she will say:

"I think that girls should go find herself sexually and have a multitude of various experiences so she really knows what she likes and she can be a better lover."

"Did you have any such fantastic experiences like a gang-bang, a porn shoot, 10 guys in 7 days hot-streak, two girls and a cup, sex in public etc. ? Because I think that such stuff is hot and turns me on."

or

"I love it how girls are so much into bad boys - it's as if displaying such fierce empowering sexual nature that really gets me a hard-on. Did you have any hot experiences with some really rough Sons of Anarchy guys, because personally I think that's hot."

Such a strategy is helpful on many levels - first you are demonstrating that you are one guy of the Secret Society who gets it (increasing the chance for a fast lay) and second you open the way for her natural slut-shaming instincts to be lowered. Even if you knew all along that she was no LTR-material it's always funny to see the Hamster go in hyper-drive.

Many girls you had a good opinion of easily disqualify themselves for any serious relationship.

This is actually something that even most Red Pill guys don't do because it goes against their instincts, not wanting to know who his girl had fucked before him. I find it interesting, because at the very least it gives me some giggles and sometimes even broadens my horizon as ever new levels of a dark abyss are laid bare in front of me - like a black hole that is even blacker and deeper than you ever could have imagined.

Quote: (01-19-2015 05:23 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

"I think that girls should go find herself sexually and have a multitude of various experiences so she really knows what she likes and she can be a better lover."

"Did you have any such fantastic experiences like a gang-bang, a porn shoot, 10 guys in 7 days hot-streak, two girls and a cup, sex in public etc. ? Because I think that such stuff is hot and turns me on."

or

"I love it how girls are so much into bad boys - it's as if displaying such fierce empowering sexual nature that really gets me a hard-on. Did you have any hot experiences with some really rough Sons of Anarchy guys, because personally I think that's hot."

So act like you're a cuck?

Quote: (01-19-2015 05:24 AM)GeroMeroHero Wrote:  

Quote: (01-19-2015 05:23 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

"I think that girls should go find herself sexually and have a multitude of various experiences so she really knows what she likes and she can be a better lover."

"Did you have any such fantastic experiences like a gang-bang, a porn shoot, 10 guys in 7 days hot-streak, two girls and a cup, sex in public etc. ? Because I think that such stuff is hot and turns me on."

or

"I love it how girls are so much into bad boys - it's as if displaying such fierce empowering sexual nature that really gets me a hard-on. Did you have any hot experiences with some really rough Sons of Anarchy guys, because personally I think that's hot."

So act like you're a cuck?

Heh - that sounded like that. Nah - you feed the hamster stories of sexual empowerment, but I did have girls who said that they could imagine allowing me having fun with other girls as long as they had some fun times with hawt guys in the meantime. Equality for everyone! All I thought was "Gotcha!"

Nowadays sex clubs and orgies are becoming more mainstream and even successful Alphas go to exclusive clubs to see their wives fucked in front of them. There is of course a sharp line between a Beta cuckold and a degenerate Alpha cuckold. (Though I am not sure 100% if such really Alpha men exist who go to sex clubs with their wives. I know some who do this with escorts or mistresses, but not wives.)

But you are right - it's better to stay away from cuckold crap, since that would be too much of a Beta tell. Better to convey the impression that you are so fucking secure in your value and strength that you really like to hear her tell stories about her glorious promiscuous past.

God Almighty. It's been a few years since I have had anything other than an occasional one night stand with a American bitch and they really do just get worse and worse by the year. Or maybe websites like XOjane just collect the worst of them in one spot like moths to a flame. Either way, this shit is infuriating, hilarious, and cringe inducing all at the same time.

I think the part that hit me the most was how she bragged about wearing her "best" lingerie for this alpha fux which signals that she was probably not, or barely at all, fucking the beta bux. That to me is just incredibly disrespectful.

If you are going to date, or god forbid (MARRIAGE IS RETIREMENT FOR WOMEN!!! DON"T DO IT!!!) marry a bitch, then the biggest red flag to me seems to be how she shows you respect with respect to her sexuality.

I couldn't imagine living with a bitch who dresses sexy at the office and then comes home and takes her make up off and puts on sweats and a dumpy shirt. Wearing lingerie for other men, or women,...fuck that.

The bitches at XOJane are crazy though. They really are. Even the girls in the comments who are going after this writer seem somewhat crazy. They make comments about how it isn't about the fact that she cheated but instead is about how she mentioned the new gf and the little black dress. WTF?

If you can handle it, check out this crazy piece by a different modern American basic bitch:

http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/...e-best-man

Basically she fucks and then gets into a relationship with one dude, and then befriends his best friend while stringing the best friend along, blows up their friendship, and is now engaged to the other dude. If you read through the lines it becomes clear that a big part of it has to do with daddy issues and beta bux.

Ill post it below:

"In the summer of 1998, I was 13, bored, and started watching reruns of the first season of this little newly buzzed-about television show on the now-defunct WB called “Dawson’s Creek.” One character in particular -– Joey Potter, the “too-tall girl from the wrong side of the creek” –- grabbed my attention, because I could relate to her so well. We each came from a less-than-stellar financial background, had a drug-addled father, saw education as the key, used sarcasm to get our points across, and most importantly, had brown hair and wore overalls. My professional goal is even to become a book editor, which Joey eventually became.


Joey was also best friends with Dawson, started dating him, realized she was in love with his best friend, and ended up with said best friend after a lot of drama and six long years. And I think I created a self-fulfilling prophecy by being obsessed with this show and character, because I actually ended up sort of living the Dawson/Joey/Pacey triangle.




This is a “Seasons 5 and 6 Never Happened” household.
This is a “Seasons 5 and 6 Never Happened” household.


In 2005, I was 20. I was in college, had just broken up with my high-school boyfriend, and worked at a grocery store with both guys (for funsies, let’s actually call them Dawson and Pacey). Dawson and I started dating casually. We had a great time together and had so many interests in common –- more than I’d had with any romantic interest. He was also extremely sweet, giving, and cute. We dated on and off for a few months, but I wasn’t ready to commit.


Dawson and Pacey were BFFs, and the three of us started hanging all the time. One day, Dawson had a final exam, and Pacey and I were hanging out alone at the house I shared with a roommate when we started talking about our dads.


Pacey’s dad has been out of work since Pacey was a teenager after kind of snapping due to the pressures of a high-stress job. He is a fantastic father, but has struggled with bipolar disorder and other complications (and recently just found out he has epilepsy as well). I grew up with an also-fantastic dad who is disabled and had a history of drug and alcohol addiction. We bonded over this, and he still tells me his first “uh-oh” moment was this night.


From then on, we flirted casually. One thing for sure was that I’d never felt that kind of emotional connection with anyone, and it was then I had that “uh-oh” feeling too.


I admitted my feelings a month or so later while Dawson and I were still off and on. Pacey felt similarly, but not enough to jeopardize his friendship with Dawson. I was hurt, but moved on (or so I thought). Dawson and I got closer, and started dating exclusively in spring 2006.


And that’s about the time Pacey stopped flirting with and hugging me goodbye every time we parted ways; in fact, he grew increasingly more stand-offish, and it was obvious he was making a conscious effort not to touch me at all.


Over the next few years, Dawson, Pacey, and I did everything together; in fact, there wasn’t a vacation Dawson and I took where Pacey wasn’t along for the ride -- which, in hindsight, was an obvious red flag. My mom warned me constantly: “You and Pacey are going to dinner? ALONE?”


Of course I brushed off her remarks, but in reality Pacey and I were getting closer emotionally and Dawson and Pacey were becoming more drinking buddies than people who confided in each other (though they just chalked that up to being “what guys do”). Two of my girlfriends who were interested in Pacey (one of whom dated him briefly) straight up asked me what was up with us, but I said what I knew to be true, despite the dreams I’d had: We were just friends.


But I had another problem. As a woman leaving college behind and approaching professional fulfillment, I was getting the sinking feeling I wouldn’t prioritize things the same way at 25 that I had at 20.


I have a very go-getter personality. I majored in something practical I knew would pay the bills (which, surprise, I’m not doing professionally anymore), and Dawson didn’t. Instead, he did what you should do: Majored in something he loved, though it didn’t pan out after college the way he’d hoped. In fact, he was still working at the supermarket (and is still working at a supermarket) –- which then I couldn’t understand, but now I do.


Dawson grew in his own way. On his path, he learned that he’s happy going to work, thinking of work as work, living simply, and coming home to someone who loves him and with whom he can share life. I, on the other hand, need to be challenged constantly (and it can get exhausting).


One semi-drunken night at a bar out with friends at a get-together that didn’t include Dawson, I confessed to Pacey that I was thinking of leaving Dawson. Pacey advised me against it, asking me to give Dawson a chance to become this professional badass. And I listened. This is the moment Pacey now tells me he knew he was in love with me.


I didn’t leave Dawson until two years later, after breaking off an engagement I pushed for because I naively thought it would change things (it didn’t), and only because Pacey confessed his feelings. I was the one to ask; he wanted Dawson and me to be happy, and had no intention of ruining that because he loved us both. If Pacey hadn’t confessed, I don’t think I would’ve had the guts to leave, and I’d probably be going through a divorce now (or in a few years) and dragging Dawson on even longer.


Sadly it took me five years and an irreparably damaged friendship to confront my feelings, but I wouldn’t change anything because I think it made all three of us happier, better people. It took Pacey and me months to get together after I left Dawson, because Pacey pushed me away harder than anyone had ever pushed me. Ironically, those six months are the time I grew the most in my whole life.


Pacey and I aren’t perfect. I know neither of us will ever forgive ourselves 100% for what happened or completely relinquish the guilt. But I know I made the right decision for me, and that the thought of this man fathering my future children and all of us getting to experience life together, as a family, is the happiest I‘ve ever felt. And I can’t wait to marry him next year.




Second times a charm.
Second times a charm.


I know Dawson meant no harm in promising me things he wouldn’t be able to provide, and frankly, I know he wanted to be the man I needed. But what I should’ve understood from the start is that a man who is OK with a woman taking the vast majority of practical charge is something the world needs a lot more of.


Arguably as a result of my upbringing (i.e., having a mother who took care of shit but endured a lot of hardship and stress because of it, and still does to this day), I want control AND someone to take care of me. I don’t think anyone should have to deal with that, and I’m still working on myself. I’m slowly (and still) learning the importance of balancing emotional and financial responsibility in a relationship, and that there are no right or wrong answers -– only the choice whether to stay or leave.


And even though he moved 1,000 miles away and things will never be the same again, my Dawson will always have a part of me. I loved him deeply, and there are things we shared that even my Pacey will never understand. And that’s OK, because the biggest thing I learned from “Dawson’s Creek” is that soulmates don’t have to be romantic (and it’s possible to have more than one).


I hope my Dawson is happy. He seems to be –- he has a new girlfriend he just moved in with. I’ll refrain from calling her Jen Lindley because Dawson and Jen don’t end up together, and also (spoiler) Jen dies. Even though it’s tempting to call her that, because she’s blonde.


And I do kind of want her dead. Almost. Not really.


OK, maybe a little, but it’s only because I’ll never think anyone deserves him (especially not me). But I truly hope he ends up happy and fulfilled, because he deserves it more than anyone I’ve ever met. And if that’s with this alternate-universe Jen Lindley (who, looking back, was way less annoying than Joey), then that’s what I want for him."


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She writes the entire thing like she is literally living in a fucking 90's teen sitcom. All I can muster to say to this all is: Wow. Just, WOW!