Quote: (11-07-2014 02:38 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

The moment you put the word "skinny" in there and you are here in the US you are talking about 9 and 10s because that's how rare a skinny girl is these days. I can promise you any guy that's getting some girls are not getting a bunch of cute, skinny girls. So it all comes down to your standards. I bet if you just stop looking for "skinny" girls you would do much better because you will have a much wider market to choose from.

I don't disagree with some aspects of the points that you are making, yet I stand by my earlier assertions regarding my own experiences and my own observations regarding a difference that I have observed and experienced over the years.

My standards are probably NOT as high as you seem to be attributing because of my use of the term "skinny," and in that regard, I may be being a little bit NON-specific when I am using that term skinny.

Nonetheless, I am attempting to make another point regarding an evolution that I have experienced on a personal level, and that is that I do NOT recognize my getting older 10 or 20 years as some kind of compelling attraction or some kind of positive feature that gets the girls spreading their legs for me.

In my experiences, those kinds of leg-spreading dynamics were much more present, and with the same quality level of girls when I was younger. When I was 10 or 20 years younger, I needed much less game, and merely the fact that I was close to the same age as the girl being in my 20s and 30s, made it much easier to get girls in their 20s to spread their legs for me.. whether the girls were skinny or NOT.

The biggest factor in getting my age not to be a factor was myself. We are taught in this country that age matters and matters a lot. That we should dress this way at this age and act this way at this age. Guys don't realize it but over the years they become self-conscious interacting with young girls because of this. You have to unlearn all of this crap and that takes work. It literally took me years just to be comfortable talking to 18 - 20 yrs old girls in public. A guy like Gio who does this day in and day out no longer has this issue, I no longer have this issue. And once you don't it allows young girls to be comfortable around you and then they will start sending you signals again because when you look at them you will look at them as you did when you were 20. As long as age is an issue with you, it will be an issue with them because you are going to project it into the interaction.

I was trying to pick up with woman in her late twenties today in the supermarket checkout. It didn't work out, typical burned out American career woman. Turned around to the cashier and she was this young girl and she had a huge smile on her face looking directly at me. So here I was busting my ass with a 28+ woman when the 18 yr old cashier is ready to jump on me already. Probably because she heard and saw the whole thing with the older woman and it turned her on.

So advice for a young man in their early 20s is to chase women like 10 percent of your daily activities?

Focus more on their career?

Women should always be your avocation not your vocation. They should be viewed as a hobby. Your primary focus should always be something else preferably something that is making you money or social status.

Then its like more focus on career like work during the day and side Hustlin at night like Bill Gates during his early years 16hrs a day for 5 years and he became the youngest billionaire at 30.

If you want to be that rich, then ye, you have to put in that kind of work. But it's more like using your video game and TV time to pick up women instead of wasting it in front of the TV.

I just want a decent money like financial freedom, an above average player so right now I'm still hustling on my career.

80% focus on my career.

Quote: (11-07-2014 02:58 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

The biggest factor in getting my age not to be a factor was myself. We are taught in this country that age matters and matters a lot. That we should dress this way at this age and act this way at this age. Guys don't realize it but over the years they become self-conscious interacting with young girls because of this. You have to unlearn all of this crap and that takes work. It literally took me years just to be comfortable talking to 18 - 20 yrs old girls in public. A guy like Gio who does this day in and day out no longer has this issue, I no longer have this issue. And once you don't it allows young girls to be comfortable around you and then they will start sending you signals again because when you look at them you will look at them as you did when you were 20. As long as age is an issue with you, it will be an issue with them because you are going to project it into the interaction.

I was trying to pick up with woman in her late twenties today in the supermarket checkout. It didn't work out, typical burned out American career woman. Turned around to the cashier and she was this young girl and she had a huge smile on her face looking directly at me. So here I was busting my ass with a 28+ woman when the 18 yr old cashier is ready to jump on me already. Probably because she heard and saw the whole thing with the older woman and it turned her on.

Surely my gaming efforts can assist to overcome some aspects of the societal expectations regarding age - however, these societal expectations remain factors, and surely results may vary and age remains a factor whether you acknowledge the fact or NOT....

You seem to be assuming that I do NOT practice approaches on younger chicks or that somehow my mindset is negatively affecting the results that I get.. surely, there can be some of those dynamics going on because I have time constraints and different ways of expressing myself and I may NOT have some of the same friends or interests as some of the younger chicks. However, in any event, I do sometimes approach various younger women to the extent it is feasible for me.. and many of my interactions with women of various ages is in the salsa dance scene which likely has its own dynamics and limitations.

In any event, I stick by my earlier assertions about my experiences and observations regarding the age factor, and if you have different experiences and observations, then good for you.... but your experiences and observations do NOT necessarily negate mine or substantiate that I necessarily need to change my opinion about what i have already asserted.

Of course they do not negate your experiences and everyone is different and while see different results. I was merely suggesting a factor that I personally believe is probably the biggest factor when it comes to older men and younger women in the US for most men.

Reading more threads here that I realize chasing women is a waste of time for me now. I use my time building my portfolio to enhance my career.

It's not a waste of time. You can't spend all of your time working. I view chasing women as my entertainment. The same way a lot of guys play video games or some kind of sport. For me chasing women is my sport.

In a young age scenario? For financial career, requires work.

Quote: (11-07-2014 04:10 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Of course they do not negate your experiences and everyone is different and while see different results. I was merely suggesting a factor that I personally believe is probably the biggest factor when it comes to older men and younger women in the US for most men.

You seem to be suggesting that if guys apply a different kind of game to NOT let societal expectations interfere with their pursuit of the younger chicks and if they continue to pursue their game to attempt to achieve their desires, then they can overcome some of these society expectation and obtain better than average results... and even get other young chicks to notice and to even pursue them... a form of mind of matter scenario...

In other words, if I am NOT oversimplifying your position, you are suggesting that guys should just think positive and have confidence in spite of their age and maybe even using aspects and advantages of their age, and these guys will achieve more positive results... something like that, and I personally believe that you are over emphasizing the mind over matter aspect... but to each his own.......

I am NOT asserting that the approach that you are describing is NOT going to work for some guys... it just sounds too pie in the sky for my own vision and my own assessment and my own framing of the situation and my own chosen approach.

Actually that is exactly what I am saying. Thank you for clarifying my position. Once you have the other factors, like looks, dress, social skills, etc. within a normal range then your internal frame becomes the decisive factor in my opinion. Yes. Also, I cannot stress enough the confidence having done something give you. Once you have gotten a certain type of girl then you know that you can do it and it gives you a confidence that is impossible to get otherwise. Also, just having a couple of women around makes a huge difference in how needy you come across and if some are hot it really jacks up your social proof.

If you have read any of my threads you will know that I am a huge fan of internal framing. I am not a 12 step guy but hey, whatever works for you, that's all that matters. I have literally spent years working on my internal beliefs and viewpoints and it's finally beginning to pay off really well.

Quote: (10-16-2014 11:01 AM)robreke Wrote:  

Any guys that are 40 plus.....( Im mid 40s ) here still getting eye contact/approach me signals from younger women ( like 20 - 27ish ) ?

It seems young women don't look at me as much anymore. I'm still trim and decent looking. Most will take a look....then, not continue to look / semi eye fuck me like they did from 25 - 38ish. I guess this is a "no shit" kind of revelation.....but it seems to be the case. I will get them from time to time....but certainly not as consistently as in the past.
I still don't know if it has to do with my looks or perhaps it's an inner game issue....some kind of lack of confidence showing through. Also....I'm probably hanging out in areas with a lot less single young women.

Same age range here - and I think if we're talking about the US, it's mostly looks, not game. It also depends where you are. Do you live in suburbia? 'Nuff said - you probably don't see many women in that age range who aren't pregnant newlyweds anyway. If you're out of shape and look like a bag of smashed assholes, that'll kill it faster than anything, but that doesn't seem to be your problem. Keep maintaining the outside and never forget your game/confidence inside as that shows through also.

A good reality check for me was going back to Asia a couple of years ago (Singapore) when younger women in that range definitely DID check me out quite a bit, and not just for the foreigner effect - there's plenty of us in Singapore and HK. Even in the US, pay closer attention next time you're in a larger city on business or whatever - raw numbers can help here as well as mindset/setting.

Quote: (10-18-2014 09:50 PM)RawGod Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2014 07:13 PM)horn Wrote:  

Having all my hair certainly helps with looking 8-14 years younger depending on how young and dumb they are. It's almost a truism that girls often guess closer to their own age than reality.

Hair is a big part of it. Seriously, think of a guy of 50 or even 55, with a good hairline and little grey. Then give him a flat stomach and fitted clothes. He can kill it. Maybe most 18-24s will still think he's too old, but he can look for the minority that don't. And he can get the yoga gals from late 20s to early 40s who really take care of themselves.

Yoga gals are the best kept secret - too many 'macho men' who would never go to a yoga class have zero idea what they're missing! That said, you have to go to the difficult classes requiring lots of physical effort - the easy, touchy-feely ones will only attract fatties and cat ladies.

Quote: (11-07-2014 05:00 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Actually that is exactly what I am saying. Thank you for clarifying my position. Once you have the other factors, like looks, dress, social skills, etc. within a normal range then your internal frame becomes the decisive factor in my opinion. Yes. Also, I cannot stress enough the confidence having done something give you. Once you have gotten a certain type of girl then you know that you can do it and it gives you a confidence that is impossible to get otherwise. Also, just having a couple of women around makes a huge difference in how needy you come across and if some are hot it really jacks up your social proof.

If you have read any of my threads you will know that I am a huge fan of internal framing. I am not a 12 step guy but hey, whatever works for you, that's all that matters. I have literally spent years working on my internal beliefs and viewpoints and it's finally beginning to pay off really well.

Well, it seems that you and I are potentially at a point in this exchange to agree to disagree, and actually, if you recall, you and I have already engaged in some of this similar kind of exchange, so I am familiar with some of your other postings in various threads.

I personally retain the view that a variety of factors can make a difference and to provide obstacles, besides mere employing a "mind over matter" strategy as you argue to be effective, and I have dated, attempted to bang and even banged quite a few young chicks of a variety of ages, and age makes a difference (being in my late 40s) no matter how a guy tries to wrap the package... There is a difference between when a guy is in his late 20s, his 30s and his 40s..

Surely, I have NOT tried every single technique or strategy or angle, and I am NOT inclined to attempt such because I do NOT have enough hours in the day - accordingly, each of us has our perspectives, experiences and set of beliefs based upon those experiences. You have a strategy that you claim works for you, and I argue that the strategy may work for you and may even work for some other guys, yet I would assert that it will NOT necessarily work for most guys or even a lot of guys - however, my assertion will likely NOT stop you from making your claims or even asserting your alleged expertise in these areas. I have NO problem with you asserting expertise in these areas to the extent that your posts do NOT seem to rise to the level of negating my perspective (which you claim to NOT be attempting).

Also, if you may recall, my initial posting on this topic above, was an attempt to get Pendejo41 to substantiate some of his claims and assertions, and hopefully, he can still attempt to respond to my post and to provide some examples regarding his alleged and asserted approach and his alleged and asserted results.

Quote: (11-07-2014 02:38 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I can promise you any guy that's getting some girls are not getting a bunch of cute, skinny girls.

What?

I think you are making assumptions based on your own sexual market value.

Some guys are banging cute, skinny girls. I am. Why would I bang anything else?

The whole reason I got into game was so that I could bang cute, skinny girls.

I worked hard in order to developed the skills necessary to get cute, skinny girls.

I would rather masturbate than get naked with an overweight girl.

Just because you are willing to lower your standards, don't assume that I am willing to lower mine.

Well Gio, maybe I need to move out to SF. This is a cute, "skinny" girl to me and I don't run into many of them in a given week. So, if there is someplace in America with a bunch of girls that look like this then I would like to know about it. And if you are getting a bunch of girls like this on a regular basis then all I can say is that you deserve every single one of those rep points!

@JayJuan As I said, if you are satisfied with what you are getting you can keep doing what you are doing. I know that I am at this point in my life. I don't even have time to see all the girls I know. Finally the Latin girls in Miami are giving me some loving and it's not because of any external change.

Quote: (11-07-2014 02:20 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Well Gio, maybe I need to move out to SF. This is a cute, "skinny" girl to me and I don't run into many of them in a given week. So, if there is someplace in America with a bunch of girls that look like this then I would like to know about it!

Nashville, TN.

Can't say it enough but took Gio with me to Music City USA and his words "Best responses from White girls I have received anywhere in USA" Girls in Nashville are mostly white, blonde with green and blue eyes,feminine with southern classy demeanour, open to all and absolutely gorgeous. wait for Gio's book, I'm sure he will include a Bang Vanderbilt section in there

Damn, I have to come to Nashville then. Thanks!

Quote: (11-07-2014 02:20 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Well Gio, maybe I need to move out to SF. This is a cute, "skinny" girl to me and I don't run into many of them in a given week. So, if there is someplace in America with a bunch of girls that look like this then I would like to know about it. And if you are getting a bunch of girls like this on a regular basis then all I can say is that you deserve every single one of those rep points!

@JayJuan As I said, if you are satisfied with what you are getting you can keep doing what you are doing. I know that I am at this point in my life. I don't even have time to see all the girls I know. Finally the Latin girls in Miami are giving me some loving and it's not because of any external change.

You seem to have a perverted and narrow view of what is a skinny girl.. and also a perverted and narrow sense to attempt to channel guys into arguments that they are NOT making. I personally have preferences for skinny girls, but I would NOT exclude a girl from potential banging and/or pursuit merely because she may NOT fit the definition of skinny. I doubt any guys here are asserting that, even though there may be preferences for slim and fit chicks.

That girl in the attached pic is an arguable 9, and I doubt that guys here are asserting that they only bang 9s or that they hold out for 9s.. that is sheer lunacy and out of touch with reality... and in that regard, you seem to be engaging in forms of strawman type arguments... to attempt to pin guys into arguments that they are NOT making.

Surely, I am going to spend more efforts in attempts to bang 7s, 8s or 9s, if I have chances at such girls, as compared to banging 5s or 6s. And, I may still bang 5s and 6s, depending on the total situation..... ease of the bang, how much effort, logistics, drama or lack thereof, etc... however, I may NOT attempt a repeated bang of 5s or 6s, but that also may depend on the circumstances with my relationship with such girls.

Hopefully, you get the point and possibly you are able to understand that skinny girls can be of quite a variety and actually, sometimes even a little bit chubby girl can be o.k., too, depending on the totality of circumstances.

The reason that the concept of skinny girls was brought up in the first place was to discuss and to make the assertion that there is a shortage of such.. and that there are likely going to be tendencies for these skinny girls to be receiving a lot of offers from various guys (especially in the US of A).. whether you agree or NOT with those assertions, I remain of such belief of my various assertions based on my observations and experiences (which I do NOT claim to have the experiences and observations of others, and I can accept that their experiences and observations may vary from mine).

Quote: (11-07-2014 02:31 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Damn, I have to come to Nashville then. Thanks!

I agree about this point that... it may be a good idea to visit Nashville sometime.... although, I would want to go to salsa dance clubs, if such exist in Nashville... hehehehe...

Quote: (11-07-2014 02:27 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

Quote: (11-07-2014 02:20 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Well Gio, maybe I need to move out to SF. This is a cute, "skinny" girl to me and I don't run into many of them in a given week. So, if there is someplace in America with a bunch of girls that look like this then I would like to know about it!

Nashville, TN.

Can't say it enough but took Gio with me to Music City USA and his words "Best responses from White girls I have received anywhere in USA" Girls in Nashville are mostly white, blonde with green and blue eyes,feminine with southern classy demeanour, open to all and absolutely gorgeous. wait for Gio's book, I'm sure he will include a Bang Vanderbilt section in there

Second this. Nashville is one of the best kept secrets in the country - the Gulch neighborhood was full of them last time I was there. Could have sworn I saw a few Taylor Swift doubles in that area....

Quote: (08-14-2008 01:07 PM)broken Wrote:  

A co-worker came up to me and asked me what he can do to be better with women. I peg him @ mid 50's.

What do you tell an older guy (who's doing okay $ wise, but not raking in the dough © Zhigge), who can't really do the happy hour/club night the same way that we approach it...

Or can you?

Ideas?

It's called taking a flight to Colombia, Costa Rica, or Mexico. When you get that age, unless you are banking you are not going to be getting any hot young chicks.

If he wants to date his own age or maybe 10 years younger, he can go to meetup.com and try to find something with that age group.