Not sure why there is all this anti-car bias on this thread. Having a nice car will help with the golddigger chicks, obviously.

I get the feeling the OP has already made up his mind about renting a car, so if you have the cash, then I guess just rent a nice one. Just don't skimp on having a convienient apartment and nice clothes.

It almost sounds like having no car is better than having a car, how can that be.
I cant imagine any scenario where public transport is better than lets say audi TT.
Car gives you freedom and flexibility that no public transport can offer you, I was in Singapore where transport is prbbly one of the best in the world but can never beat car.
Taxis are not cheap either, you try to take a few 30 min trips and it will cost you 20-30 bucks easily .
Im not convinced that eastern european chicks dont fantacize abt getting banged on the back seat of some German luxury car.
It gives you option to take her out of town, drive down to the beach, take her anywhere...try that with train

I've never been in a situation where I thought: "If only I had a car I would've gotten laid tonight."

Sure, having a car is nice...but makes no difference with most chicks.
Get it for the ease of transport or time saving. Plus its good for exploring more areas and seeing cool places...but don't get if your only reason is to improve game

Quote: (06-11-2012 12:42 PM)Bananaman711 Wrote:  

It almost sounds like having no car is better than having a car, how can that be.
I cant imagine any scenario where public transport is better than lets say audi TT.
Car gives you freedom and flexibility that no public transport can offer you, I was in Singapore where transport is prbbly one of the best in the world but can never beat car.
Taxis are not cheap either, you try to take a few 30 min trips and it will cost you 20-30 bucks easily .
Im not convinced that eastern european chicks dont fantacize abt getting banged on the back seat of some German luxury car.
It gives you option to take her out of town, drive down to the beach, take her anywhere...try that with train

I don't know about central Europe but FSU countries...

1. Where are you taking 30 minute trips to? The only time I've taken a trip that long is to/from an airport.

2. Like I stated earlier, in FSU at least, taxis ARE cheap. Like 5 bucks tops for a ride from city center to outter city. If you pay more than that, its because you hailed it from the street instead of calling or you didn't negotiate the fee before sitting down.

3. Taxis are not a DLV here. Everyone uses them. Owning a car is an expensive proposition, the roads are shitty, and you have deal with parking/cops. If you've had a few, forget about it, a DUI can be very serious if you don't manage to bribe your way out of it. I doubt they give a shit if you're .07 if they feel like you're guilty.

I genuinely wish you good luck if you bring the car, I hope it doesn't become more of a burden than a benefit.

Having a car in E Europe doesn't seem like it would be worth all the hassle. A place where it would be worth it, is a country like the Philippines or Colombia. You would hire a part time driver (which in the Phils would probably set you back $150 a month; in Colombia a bit more). The purpose would be more for logistics, than for showing off. There are some lazy ass young hot girls, who flake because they live too far away from your pad near the city center. Having the car and driver pick them up would eliminate any excuses for them not coming and also shows that you have your shit together, and are staying for awhile.
For example, in Davao Philippines there was some excellent talent that I could have tapped had I gone to where they live(cities an hour away like Tagum city) Having a driver pick them up in a car would have DHV and they would have had no problem coming straight to my apartment, after that. The same applies to Manila, which is a giant beast of a city with poor public transportation.
Now for Medellin, Colombia, I think the same could apply to those little town young hotties outside of the city, that Mixx often talked about,

Good point about having a driver go pick up the girls in the Phils or Colombia. However, wouldn't you be considered about them cockblocking you and or trash talking you behind your back during the ride? Specially if you're not there and you just sent the driver pick up the girls from their places?

Anyone body knows how's driving in China and would having a nice ride there would be a big plus with the hot girls?

Quote: (06-11-2012 10:43 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

Anyone body knows how's driving in China and would having a nice ride there would be a big plus with the hot girls?

The problem with China is it is ridiculously expensive to take your own vehicle in so that option is not realistic. Buying a car there is also very expensive,triple the price for the same car in the West. The final nail in the coffin is the fact that you have to be resident to get a local driving licence ( can't drive on your own national licence ) and that licence only allows you to drive in your city region so travelling around China will be illegal although some have managed it.

In other words too much hassle.

I have a friend from England who has an Audi, it's not a chick magnet, not at all, or maybe it's because he's british which is most certainly understandable as well. One issue you're not concerning yourself with and something you should think about are the Ukrainian drivers, there are lots and lots of accidents here; which many result in fatalities, drivers are very bad, most of these drivers obtained their licence by paying bribes; as a result, they did not study any driving course or pass any exams,

Drivers in Ukraine are extremely aggressive, they have a tendency to ignore red lights, don't give pedestrians in a cross-walk the right of way, drive at high rates of speed, use their horns constantly, and fight alot due to road rage, this is the main reason I would never drive here, I stop for pedestrians, I obey traffic lights, I obey the speed limits, and traffic laws, I dont have the mentality to deal with the Ukrainian driver.

An Audi or BMW does not really have any status in the UK there are loads of them, some years a 3 series was the best selling car in England. I have a nice 2002 325ci convertable cost all of £3200 my a6 quattro diesel was 2k. If I wanted to I could by an 03 range rover for 6.5k, the cost of cars here is more about the running costs than anything else. tax is up to £450 per year, petrol £1.40 or 2.20, dollars per litre. Buying a Audi TT basically gives no status as its a hardressers car and will cost loads to run. My 1993 Porsche 968 convertable cost 10k here but in the states would probably be worth fuck all, different markets different rules. I would also be careful of how much status you think a car will give, I have seen Ferraris Lambos Astons and more X5's than you can shake a stick at in a small city like Tallinn so I would just save the hassle and get taxis every where.

Quote: (06-11-2012 10:43 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

Good point about having a driver go pick up the girls in the Phils or Colombia. However, wouldn't you be considered about them cockblocking you and or trash talking you behind your back during the ride? Specially if you're not there and you just sent the driver pick up the girls from their places?

Anyone body knows how's driving in China and would having a nice ride there would be a big plus with the hot girls?

Good point VP, but then a wing or a friend could share the costs and go with the driver to pick up the girl. If he is a player, like all wings should be, he would go to another location, with the car, to pick up another girl after he has delivered her to your place. Those driver cockblockers can be fired in a minute and overall, they wouldn't want to lose the gig since it is an easy comfortable job. Also, if she has a friend then the driver could be your wing. Just got to be straight forward with the guy from the beginning.
It seems like no one has tried this in the forum. I will next year.

Quote: (06-10-2012 02:34 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Short answer: no.

The reason can be applied to guys with nice cars in general...

1. Are you going to approach girls from the car (i.e. street game)?
2. If not, are you going to drop the car in conversation soon after your approach? Take a guess to the kind of girls that will primarily attract.

If you're staying long term, such a car might strengthen your provider game. EE girls want providers so if you want to broadcast your husband value, it will help. But if you're there for a few months just to have fun, the car will not give you as many benefits as..

1. Approaching with the right game
2. Nice apartment in centrally located area
3. Threads that are better than the local guys
4. A body that is in shape

If you're trying to drop some cash, choice number 2 is your best bet. EE girls will often ask "Where are you staying?" This is a great opportunity to build value in the form of living alone in a nearby apartment. They NEVER ask "Do you have a car?" Trying to drop your Audi in a conversation would be comical and try-hard.

The same is true of the U.S.

I have a crappy car. It has cost me exactly zero lays.

But the $500 "all in" cost for a new car has gotten me a lot of lays through gym memberships, good food, good clothes, not having to be cheap when out at bars, being able to take quick weekend trips, buying wine, having enough cash to take an occasional day off for a 3-day weekend, etc.

A car is way down the list of things that help getting lays.

Quote: (06-11-2012 03:35 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

I've never been in a situation where I thought: "If only I had a car I would've gotten laid tonight."

Sure, having a car is nice...but makes no difference with most chicks.
Get it for the ease of transport or time saving. Plus its good for exploring more areas and seeing cool places...but don't get if your only reason is to improve game

Also without a car you never get to explore to know how much pussy you've missed. Want some ass at 4am and you're stuck in the apartment? Hop in the car and head out. If you have the option to get a car and it's not a huge hassle by all means get one. You don't have to wait to get where you need to be. Fast moves = more tail.

Yeah that's what I thought too based on my experience in LOS but wanted some first hand experience from China. Thanks for chipping in Vorkuta.

While I do realize in the cities it can be crazy to drive I thought maybe in the country side or 2nd tier cities it would be less hectic to drive in China?

Quote: (06-12-2012 12:50 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Quote: (06-11-2012 10:43 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

Anyone body knows how's driving in China and would having a nice ride there would be a big plus with the hot girls?

The problem with China is it is ridiculously expensive to take your own vehicle in so that option is not realistic. Buying a car there is also very expensive,triple the price for the same car in the West. The final nail in the coffin is the fact that you have to be resident to get a local driving licence ( can't drive on your own national licence ) and that licence only allows you to drive in your city region so travelling around China will be illegal although some have managed it.

In other words too much hassle.

Having a driver in the Phils, Colombia, Brasil or LOS is an EXCELLENT idea CM! Would you have any idea roughly how much that would come to say per day in the Phils, Colombia, Brasil (JP area)? I'm going to be doing that too when I return to the Phils.

Quote: (06-12-2012 09:34 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Quote: (06-11-2012 10:43 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

Good point about having a driver go pick up the girls in the Phils or Colombia. However, wouldn't you be considered about them cockblocking you and or trash talking you behind your back during the ride? Specially if you're not there and you just sent the driver pick up the girls from their places?

Anyone body knows how's driving in China and would having a nice ride there would be a big plus with the hot girls?

Good point VP, but then a wing or a friend could share the costs and go with the driver to pick up the girl. If he is a player, like all wings should be, he would go to another location, with the car, to pick up another girl after he has delivered her to your place. Those driver cockblockers can be fired in a minute and overall, they wouldn't want to lose the gig since it is an easy comfortable job. Also, if she has a friend then the driver could be your wing. Just got to be straight forward with the guy from the beginning.
It seems like no one has tried this in the forum. I will next year.

Quote: (06-10-2012 02:18 PM)hunter7 Wrote:  

Audi TT is a girls´car

True, but something says it might fit this dude perfectly.

Quote: (06-12-2012 08:06 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

Having a driver in the Phils, Colombia, Brasil or LOS is an EXCELLENT idea CM! Would you have any idea roughly how much that would come to say per day in the Phils, Colombia, Brasil (JP area)? I'm going to be doing that too when I return to the Phils.

Quote: (06-12-2012 09:34 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Quote: (06-11-2012 10:43 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

Good point about having a driver go pick up the girls in the Phils or Colombia. However, wouldn't you be considered about them cockblocking you and or trash talking you behind your back during the ride? Specially if you're not there and you just sent the driver pick up the girls from their places?

Anyone body knows how's driving in China and would having a nice ride there would be a big plus with the hot girls?

Good point VP, but then a wing or a friend could share the costs and go with the driver to pick up the girl. If he is a player, like all wings should be, he would go to another location, with the car, to pick up another girl after he has delivered her to your place. Those driver cockblockers can be fired in a minute and overall, they wouldn't want to lose the gig since it is an easy comfortable job. Also, if she has a friend then the driver could be your wing. Just got to be straight forward with the guy from the beginning.
It seems like no one has tried this in the forum. I will next year.

The idea came to me, when I was in Davao, and could not find any automatic cars to rent, that were available that day, to go to the nearby city of Tagum. Had many girls contacting me on filipino cupid, from that city, who looked hot. So,the only thing available was a 55 dollar per day huge van that came with a driver incuded in the price of the rental. Just had to buy his lunch or dinner, which in the Phils is nothing. It was a blast picking up several girls that day with my brother in a big nice air conditioned van that could seat 8 to 10 people. Whenever we wanted to have some drinks with the girls, at different places, we would tell the driver to come back later. Then at 10 pm he went back to Davao, while we stayed in a hotel in Tagum city to bang.
Now, in the Phils drivers get paid minimum wage, so i cant see how it could set you back more than 200 dollars a month, hiring a driver for 20 hours a week, for example. Also gasoline prices are relatively cheap, as they must be subsidized by the government. Minimum wage is around 300 dollars. In Colombia minimum wage is around 400, but gasoline prices are not subsidized. In Brazil, it wouldn't be as good of an idea because there, the minimum wage is higher(dont remember the actual amount) Costs in general are higher in Brazil, so to make it happen, you would have to have more disposable income, available. But if you did, it would work terrifically with the girls in the NE of Brazil. They are poorer and would be mightily impressed by the gesture.

Wow, 200 bucks a month for a driver for about 20h/week? Did I read that correctly? Damn, that's cheap! I know things and specially labour is cheap there but that is a no brainer! I'm thinking of going to Davao in mid Aug to mid Sept. Are you going to be in town at the time? If yes, we definitely need to link up and do some damage together compadre and definitely hire a car and go pick up girls!!! That is an awesome idea!!!!
Btw, how's driving in the PI? From what I remember in Cebu, it is not for the faint at heart...is it the same in Davao and in the provinces around it? You know what I'd love to do when I return to the Phils for a longer stay is to get a car and drive all over the Phils from top to bottom with a couple of cool cats...

Yeah the rough estimates you provided for Colombia and NE of Brasil make sense to me and I can see that being a huge success in the NE of Brasil. Something to try there next time I'm there....

Quote: (06-13-2012 10:42 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

Wow, 200 bucks a month for a driver for about 20h/week? Did I read that correctly? Damn, that's cheap! I know things and specially labour is cheap there but that is a no brainer! I'm thinking of going to Davao in mid Aug to mid Sept. Are you going to be in town at the time? If yes, we definitely need to link up and do some damage together compadre and definitely hire a car and go pick up girls!!! That is an awesome idea!!!!
Btw, how's driving in the PI? From what I remember in Cebu, it is not for the faint at heart...is it the same in Davao and in the provinces around it? You know what I'd love to do when I return to the Phils for a longer stay is to get a car and drive all over the Phils from top to bottom with a couple of cool cats...

Yeah the rough estimates you provided for Colombia and NE of Brasil make sense to me and I can see that being a huge success in the NE of Brasil. Something to try there next time I'm there....

VP, Davao is a great place to hire a driver and a car because of the low cost and the size of the city (which is very spread out). Also there is alot of talent in smaller cities, just an hour away, like Tagum city. The traffic is much safer and organized than Manila, so that is not an issue. I will not be in the Phils around that time, but if you meet some other horny travelers, it is not a bad idea to share the costs among you, for the car and the driver. Girls will love that they are being picked so banging them will be even easier than it already is. Also, it will help with the 8s and few 9s that you can chat up in the malls.
I plan to settle in 2, 2nd tier cities in either Colombia, Brazil, Poland, Philippines, Vietnam..... after 2 more years of traveling and exploring. Or maybe another country will convince me. That is when i will be in my late 30s...when i will buy a nice apartment and car while having a driver, maid, cook, at the same time.

I think the argument can be split into two separate points in regards to having a car in EE and the FSU.

We are all in agreement pretty much that a nice car does not attract women into your bed but El Mech was the first to make an interesting point that was hitherto not mentioned,i.e whilst a car does not attract women per se,what it does do is allow you to game more women and be the master of your own ship as opposed to relying on transport schedules etc. I'd like to explore that point further as I am wholly in agreement with it.

A couple of summers back I took a leisurely drive from London to Moscow and back and it was probably the most enjoyable trip I've ever taken. It was a great trip because I could do exactly as I pleased. Some points that makes having your own car a great thing in EE/FSU:

* So many times I'd be on the highway and see a small side road heading into the distance and I'd say what the heck and turn off to see where I ended up. Often I'd find a small town with a shitty nightclub and have a great random night out in a FSU village. The car allowed me to see places that nobody would ever visit without their own car.

*Hitch hiking is immensely popular in that part of the world. I found a few very good local wings by picking up young dudes heading home after a weekend at the dacha. Ended up going out on the town with them and taking women back to theirs. Still in contact with some of the guys I picked up. Women also hitch to work there to save on bus fares,I set up a few dates with such women,not because I had a good car but because without the car I would never have met them.

*I used my car to take women on dates to lakes and out of the way places for a beer and vodka picnic and was able to bang them there. Could not do that without a car.

*You can take as much shit as you want in your car. I had my bar and a couple of 20kilo plates in the back of my car so I could work out when I wanted. I had as many clothes as I needed,protein shakes etc.

*I slept in my car ( it was an estate ) quite a lot and saved money on hotels which are over priced in Belarus and parts of European Russia.

*Fuel is very cheap when you cross the river Bug.

I can think of numerous more positives to having a car if you like to see second and third tier ( and even smaller ) places. If you want to just stay in the capitols then avoid a car as it can be a pain in the ass with parking and traffic etc. The funny thing is that I got all the way to Moscow and back on my fake Indonesian driving licence that I bought on Jalan Jaksa for $30. Fortunately even when pulled over by the police they only looked at my insurance documents and just presumed I had a licence. I never had any problems with the police looking for bribes and never had anyone try to steal or damage my car,everyone was very friendly.

So yes having a flash car does not get you laid but having a car does open you to a lot more adventures and often more opportunities to game. I'd do such a trip again in a heartbeat.

Quote: (06-14-2012 07:09 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

I think the argument can be split into two separate points in regards to having a car in EE and the FSU.

We are all in agreement pretty much that a nice car does not attract women into your bed but El Mech was the first to make an interesting point that was hitherto not mentioned,i.e whilst a car does not attract women per se,what it does do is allow you to game more women and be the master of your own ship as opposed to relying on transport schedules etc. I'd like to explore that point further as I am wholly in agreement with it.

A couple of summers back I took a leisurely drive from London to Moscow and back and it was probably the most enjoyable trip I've ever taken. It was a great trip because I could do exactly as I pleased. Some points that makes having your own car a great thing in EE/FSU:

* So many times I'd be on the highway and see a small side road heading into the distance and I'd say what the heck and turn off to see where I ended up. Often I'd find a small town with a shitty nightclub and have a great random night out in a FSU village. The car allowed me to see places that nobody would ever visit without their own car.

*Hitch hiking is immensely popular in that part of the world. I found a few very good local wings by picking up young dudes heading home after a weekend at the dacha. Ended up going out on the town with them and taking women back to theirs. Still in contact with some of the guys I picked up. Women also hitch to work there to save on bus fares,I set up a few dates with such women,not because I had a good car but because without the car I would never have met them.

*I used my car to take women on dates to lakes and out of the way places for a beer and vodka picnic and was able to bang them there. Could not do that without a car.

*You can take as much shit as you want in your car. I had my bar and a couple of 20kilo plates in the back of my car so I could work out when I wanted. I had as many clothes as I needed,protein shakes etc.

*I slept in my car ( it was an estate ) quite a lot and saved money on hotels which are over priced in Belarus and parts of European Russia.

*Fuel is very cheap when you cross the river Bug.

I can think of numerous more positives to having a car if you like to see second and third tier ( and even smaller ) places. If you want to just stay in the capitols then avoid a car as it can be a pain in the ass with parking and traffic etc. The funny thing is that I got all the way to Moscow and back on my fake Indonesian driving licence that I bought on Jalan Jaksa for $30. Fortunately even when pulled over by the police they only looked at my insurance documents and just presumed I had a licence. I never had any problems with the police looking for bribes and never had anyone try to steal or damage my car,everyone was very friendly.

So yes having a flash car does not get you laid but having a car does open you to a lot more adventures and often more opportunities to game. I'd do such a trip again in a heartbeat.

Yes, having a car is like trading up from a hostel to a swanky centralized apartment. Obviously, more for second tier cities, than a city like New York with great public transportation or a mess of a city, like Manila. I'm surprised that more forum members haven't tried it. But it does require a good deal of money, in terms of renting or buying, if you are staying short term. But if you do have the means to do it...do hire a driver. In Eastern Europe, there are many drunken nights, so better that you are not behind the wheel.
Whenever you find your long term place or places to stay, do get a car, especially as you get older. Young chicks dig that especially if you are a foreign guy.

If you live there it definitely helps.It also helps a lot when meeting EE girls in your city.(for logistics reasons).However if you travel to EE for a limited amount of time(one week) it does not help.It is better to use public transportation for hooking and taxis for girls transportation to apartment,hotel.

Wouldn't car make u look like more of provider or LTR type?

Having a car = getting pulled over = doubling, tripling, quadrupling interactions with the police. Maybe more. Even here in America. Unless I really need them, which is rare, I try to minimize interactions with the police. In corrupt countries the police are just a variant of criminal. So by all means, get a car if you want more interactions with the police. Nevermind that they drive like maniacs over there.

Quote: (06-11-2012 12:42 PM)Bananaman711 Wrote:  

It almost sounds like having no car is better than having a car, how can that be.
I cant imagine any scenario where public transport is better than lets say audi TT.
Car gives you freedom and flexibility that no public transport can offer you, I was in Singapore where transport is prbbly one of the best in the world but can never beat car.
Taxis are not cheap either, you try to take a few 30 min trips and it will cost you 20-30 bucks easily .
Im not convinced that eastern european chicks dont fantacize abt getting banged on the back seat of some German luxury car.
It gives you option to take her out of town, drive down to the beach, take her anywhere...try that with train

Maybe taxi's are expensive in Aus or some parts of western europe, but so is driving, parking and hiring in those places. Some parts of Sydney these days cost $25 an hour for parking.

Taxi's are cheap in most places, and when you dont know the roads and half the world drives on the opposite side of the road to you, driving makes even less sense.

I also cant get pissed as often

Not saying a car is pointless, but it only makes sense in some cases if you intend to be there for a very long time.

Quote: (06-10-2012 01:22 PM)Bananaman711 Wrote:  

I am thinking of hiring a car for a few month while in Europe, something like Audi TT, BMW 3 or Peugeot RCZ.
I was wondering if having a sexy car would give me boost ,give me an edge with girls?

I know in Germany that is not a big deal, wouldnt bother with western countries anyway but I am talking abt Eastern Europe countries like Poland, Czech R,Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria, Ukraine?

I read on the other forum that in these countries you are what you drive, apparently it is status symbol so wouldn't it be smart to invest in decent car? My logic is that i ll be there for 2-3 months, it is short time so why not do everything you can to maximize yield?

Would it help much? What are your thoughts

Cheers

I'd say in countries that have poor infrastructures and slow public transports such as Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia and Ukraine, a car surely can help your game. These countries are also quite poor, so girls are more easily impressed if you show off a little. Of course it depends also by the particular city. In Odessa having a car helps a LOT, but be aware that the competition will be hard, with all those rich russian guys driving Porsche or Ferrari. Rumenian girls are crazy for money, so there too a car can help, of course as long you integrate it in your game.
In Poland and Czech I'd say a car is more or less useless, especially in medium size cities where the nightlife is concentrated in the centre and pedestrian areas (Wroclaw, Krakow, Brno) and/or is mostly about college parties: people don't have problems in using public transports, they actually prefer it, and going in a car with a stranger is not so common. Polish girls in particular are not much after money.