Kind of random but I was talking to this Canadian guy who was about 55-65 and he said something interesting. Some chick, maybe 30-40, told him "I want you to bend me over and fuck me hard" and he thought to himself, "man, I don't even know if I can do that anymore!"

He said that after that he started taking testosterone and it helped a lot. None of his friends his age would "admit" that they couldn't bang a girl like they used to, etc. Whatever, I just thought it was interesting that a hot girl who asks for it might not be enough of a turn on if you're too old. I'm sceptical but I do believe that the lust goes down a bit not matter how hot the girl is. It's just hormones.

On the other hand, if the girl is real hot and young, you'll be horny no matter what. Maybe you can't go for a few rounds but initially? C'mon I don't care how old you are. I'm over 30 and I don't feel much less horny and young girls are probably as equally interested as ever. I can't say I've seen a decline or difference yet.

However, if they're not all that, I am waaaay less horny. I think it's just experience, like, it's not worth it. I'm not trying to hump anything that walks. I just hope that some day in the far future if a hot young thing says bend me over and fuck me hard I'm not like 'eh' ... I want to feel the fire en mi loins forever!

Quote: (10-01-2014 12:06 AM)Abe Lincoln Wrote:  

Kind of random but I was talking to this Canadian guy who was about 55-65 and he said something interesting. Some chick, maybe 30-40, told him "I want you to bend me over and fuck me hard" and he thought to himself, "man, I don't even know if I can do that anymore!"

He said that after that he started taking testosterone and it helped a lot. None of his friends his age would "admit" that they couldn't bang a girl like they used to, etc. Whatever, I just thought it was interesting that a hot girl who asks for it might not be enough of a turn on if you're too old. I'm sceptical but I do believe that the lust goes down a bit not matter how hot the girl is. It's just hormones.

On the other hand, if the girl is real hot and young, you'll be horny no matter what. Maybe you can't go for a few rounds but initially? C'mon I don't care how old you are. I'm over 30 and I don't feel much less horny and young girls are probably as equally interested as ever. I can't say I've seen a decline or difference yet.

However, if they're not all that, I am waaaay less horny. I think it's just experience, like, it's not worth it. I'm not trying to hump anything that walks. I just hope that some day in the far future if a hot young thing says bend me over and fuck me hard I'm not like 'eh' ... I want to feel the fire en mi loins forever!

Maybe, El Mech made a very good point earlier, regarding guys over 40 participating in this thread?

Abe L: I don't know how you can say that since you are over 30 and since, so far, you have not felt any decline, that you are NOT going to feel any decline later, for example after you are 40 or when you are between 55 and 65... ?

And, then it seems to me that a large number, probably a majority of guys between 55 to 65 are likely to feel decline? Now, if the guy is taking testosterone or following a certain kind of diet, exercise, sleep regime, that is another story.. and such guys should be able to disclose such circumstances, if relevant.

I can talk in terms of myself, and I am in my upper 40s and I feel decline. So far, I do NOT take testosterone or dick pills - but there seems to be times in which my testosterone is stronger and weaker, and even there are times that I may mentally feel attraction for a girl, but my penis is NOT reacting (not like it did in earlier times).

Maybe you should come back to this thread when you are over 40 and discuss - because otherwise your participation in this thread seems to come off as judgmental? As you get older, maybe you will feel decline and maybe you won't, but it seems difficult to speculate at this moment whether you will or NOT feel decline, just because you hope that you do NOT feel decline.

On the other hand, I could understand if a guy in his 20s or 30s wants to participate in this thread because he is feeling as if he is having energy and/or testosterone and/or erection problems, and he wants to attempt to figure out if he is suffering from early signs of aging or something like that - I could see those kinds of physical and/or psychological deteriorations happening to some guys before they reach their 40s - which could cause matters to be even worse into their 40s and thereafter.

Quote: (10-01-2014 12:06 AM)Abe Lincoln Wrote:  

I want to feel the fire en mi loins forever!

I want to share my experience with this..

5 years ago, I couldn't stop thinking about young, pretty college girls. My dick was hard all day just thinking about their firm, little bodies.

I wanted them bad. I worked hard to get them.

At first, the thrill was awesome, the adrenaline, the rush, the excitement the sex, it was amazing.

Today, things have changed. I have fucked dozens of them. I no longer get the same rush that I once did. I need increasing levels of stimulation. Hotter girls, kinkier sex, etc.

Isn't this the case with everything? If we do the same thing over and over again, our mind becomes desensitized to it.

Eat your favorite food everyday, over time, you will likely get sick of it and crave something else.

Buy a new car, at first, you will be thrilled to drive it but over time, the thrill will wear off.

"Show me a beautiful woman and I will show you a man who is sick and tired of fucking her"

Maybe, my brain does not release the same amount of dopamine-serotonin-happy chemicals as it once did?

I'm sure you know what I mean..

*****

Basically, the only way to get sick of banging girls is to bang a lot of girls.

To be honest, I am not sick of banging girls, its just that my mind craves new, fresh, and varied experiences. I don't want to spend my weekends doing the exact same thing I did last weekend and the weekend before that and the weekend before that and the weekend before that..

I want to explore other areas of life including sex, but, not limited to sex.

*****

I understand that most guys will not reach this point. Most guys will spend their lives chasing sex, I did it for many years and I have no major regrets.

A few guys will actually become content in their sexual experiences and sometimes seek out other pleasures in life instead of unconsciously repeating those same sexual experiences again.

I know I can get sex when I want it. It's just that sometimes I want to do other things.

I don't expect many guys to understand this.

I am nearly 40 and I have been with over 100 women.

The issue that I am describing is an issue that only older, successful playboys will have to deal with.

Young guys can ignore this post. (For another 10-15 years)

Sex is not the greatest thing in life. That is one thing the "red pill' taught me.

A man should be skilled in a variety of areas, in most cases.

I'm in my late 40s. I never have had a problem getting it up ( except for once a couple years ago when I drank too much and the girl was being overbearing which was turning me off - but even then I was able to perform).

It is harder to find my nut though. And after I nut, I'm usually done for the night, whereas when younger I would be eager for round 2+ throughout the night.

I'm seeing a girl now whose 16 years my junior, thin with tangerine sized tits and horny and dripping wet all the time. I'm happy to see her once a week. Sometimes every two weeks. She's always willing able and eager. Years ago I'd be tapping her every night. Now I'm ok with once a week. You slow down.

More thrilling than sex itself is the chase or sexual vibing (mutual flirtatiousness). Attention from young girls even if it doesn't lead to a bang. I think that will always be thrilling. The brain is the greatest sex organ.

^ I am close to you in age and would be concerned by this. Yes you tend to not be as horny as say a few years ago but if you are in good health, you should requie more sex than once a week. Especially with a girl 16 years junior than you.

@Gio What never gets old is the chase because the outcome is never guaranteed. I have always enjoyed chasing women more than fucking them. I like sex but I like good sex. It's very rare to meet a woman that has all of the right qualities to be a really good lover. What also never gets old is when a girl desires you. I have never gotten use to looking at a girls face and seeing real desire in her eyes. That is best viagra guys! Brings out the animal in me and makes me feel like I am 28 again!

Quote: (10-02-2014 10:14 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

^ I am close to you in age and would be concerned by this. Yes you tend to not be as horny as say a few years ago but if you are in good health, you should requie more sex than once a week. Especially with a girl 16 years junior than you.

Perhaps. Maybe I should get my T checked.

Never had a boner problem and I still enjoy sex and eagerly anticipate it on the weekends, but I've slowed a bit.

Also, non medically, although she is a sweetie and I enjoy her company, I don't love her. So part of keeping it to the weekends is to give myself space.

Also our style of sex is a workout. I make her orgasm each time, but it requires some vigorous hip thrusting. I also delay my orgasms until she nuts, but the more you delay your nut the harder it is to find it when the time is right. So you do a lot of work. It gets exhausting and it would be hard to do that every night.

^ ok I understand, it seems that it might be the girl you are banging doesn't turn you on 100%. I was with a girl like that and thought it was me, then I moved onto another girl and problem solved.
Sex does seem like a drug after awhile, you are looking for a greater high.

Your dick always knows. I believe I am older than both you guys and I went through a period of ED. Not really bad but enough to cause alarm.

Doctor said I was doing great just getting older, I did not accept that. Eventually I realized through introspection that it was the women I was banging. They we either gross or I was not into them. And my own thirst to get more or still living with a scarcity mentality was what drove me to fuck women I did not care to be with.

Problem solved.

I just passed 40 and the girl I am with had me doing a marathon each night it seemed. I averaged 10-12 fucks per week with her and I could not do it each time. I decided to turn the tables and make her do a lot of the work. I started with some light bdsm and made her perform lots of oral. I gradually ramped this up where she is the performer now and I can enjoy the sex more. Have you thought about dominating her more and making her earn your affection? Slapping, choking, deap throat, tossing her around, hair pulling, dirty talk, etc.--they love this stuff!
Give it a try and post back with results. Hope this helps you get more out of things.

Quote: (10-02-2014 10:14 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

you should require more sex than once a week. Especially with a girl 16 years junior than you.

I don't know..?

Once, maybe twice a week is enough for me. All my girls are much younger.

Maybe, I should get my testosterone checked also?

I'm still banging a girl I met in 2000 (she's younger than me) I approached her on her college campus and pulled her despite her having a bf

She is still sexy to me but granted, my engines don't roar like they used to upon just seeing her.

As 40-something's we may not conduct the 2 & 3 session marathons of a decade ago, but at this age you know all the "tricks"

Like an aging baller, my "ups" ain't what they used to be but I still got a killer post-up game HAHA

I'll say this: at age 42 I felt a change. It used to be thinking about sex got me hard. Now it's almost got to be actual physical contact to do it. I know that my T is low, and I'm working on it. I'm just saying, age catches up with us all at some point.

One thing with me is that I know there's a mental component as well. I'll still wake up with serious wood (especially nights I take ZMA), so I know it functions, which makes me think it might be more an issue of mind over matter. One of the curses of getting old is that you have experience. If you've experienced failure before, you tend to remember that and cockblock yourself. Gio has an excellent attitude and that's the attitude you need to strive for. Like reco mentioned, scarcity mentality and settling for a chick who doesn't pass the boner test is a terrible idea for your mental health.

I was last super-horny and feeling in deep lust love when I was 40. I've declined a lot into my late 50s.
There have to be some stages before you become an incontinent prune.

At about 50 decline worsened, and it just keeps getting worse for the most part in my late 50s.

You'll notice there are hardly any late 50s posters here. We just don't want to talk about it.
Only outliers are still really horny. I stopped taking TRT because I want kids, that helps while you're on it.

Quote: (10-03-2014 12:26 PM)RockHard Wrote:  

there's a mental component as well.

Absolutely,

As older men, we are not as excitable as we used to be.

Experience brings wisdom but it also bring familiarity. We have been banging girls for decades. The thrill has worn off a bit.

We fall into patterns -- the same job, the same friends, the same routine, the same daily activities, the same location and scenery, the same life -- All of this can add up to make us content yet bored. Satisfied but unfulfilled.

This is why we must keep freshness and newness in our lives. Travel, different foods, different experiences, different locations, different conversations, different point so view, change of scenery, etc.

I take a different route to work sometimes just to change things up. I enjoy talking to people with a different opinion than mine.

We must keep our passions and our child like wonder and joy.

This is another reason why I chase younger girls, they help to keep my perspective fresh.

To stay passionate, I am currently chasing hotter girls and more exotic girls. I know that I will be old one day. I'm just trying to enjoy it while it lasts.

Quote: (10-03-2014 12:45 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I was last super-horny and feeling in deep lust love when I was 40. I've declined a lot into my late 50s.
There have to be some stages before you become an incontinent prune.

At about 50 decline worsened, and it just keeps getting worse for the most part in my late 50s.

You'll notice there are hardly any late 50s posters here. We just don't want to talk about it.
Only outliers are still really horny. I stopped taking TRT because I want kids, that helps while you're on it.

Quote: (10-03-2014 02:22 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

Quote: (10-03-2014 12:45 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I was last super-horny and feeling in deep lust love when I was 40. I've declined a lot into my late 50s.
There have to be some stages before you become an incontinent prune.

At about 50 decline worsened, and it just keeps getting worse for the most part in my late 50s.

You'll notice there are hardly any late 50s posters here. We just don't want to talk about it.
Only outliers are still really horny. I stopped taking TRT because I want kids, that helps while you're on it.

Lifting is important.. but diet and sleep too. Surely, everyone is different and will have differing impacts, but there are likely some natural measures to take to mitigate the worst of the impacts.

Also, I seem a bit out of place to say anything about what is going to happen to me in my 50s because I still have a couple more years to reach that threshold. However, building muscle (resistance training rather than cardio) does seem to have a pretty decent impact on my hormones and the strength and frequency of my boners.

There is some really good stuff on this thread. I like the comments about attitude and your outlook. It is such a cliche but that is why it is so true.

Einstein said you can either look at the world like everything is a miracle or like nothing is a miracle. I'm sure we all know which one will make us look and feel younger.

I want to add that I feel better now than I did when I was 25. I believe this is because of attitude exercise diet and meditation. All the things we are talking about on here.

Quote: (10-03-2014 03:28 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

There is some really good stuff on this thread. I like the comments about attitude and your outlook. It is such a cliche but that is why it is so true.

Einstein said you can either look at the world like everything is a miracle or like nothing is a miracle. I'm sure we all know which one will make us look and feel younger.

I want to add that I feel better now than I did when I was 25. I believe this is because of attitude exercise diet and meditation. All the things we are talking about on here.

And, your approximate age?

52

about "do i even lift"

I think it's an important point , I agree that lifting weights seems by far the most efficient way to (temporarily) reverse my physical decline when I do it. Forget what 20-30 somethings growl about "lifting heavy"-- one injury and you're set back for months.

Lifting SLOW(no use of momentum, slow raises and lowerings) and GRADUALLY increasing weight ; and AVOIDING INJURY are the most important things as you get older. If you go very slowly and carefully and gradually increase weight, you will end up "lifting heavy" without much pain.

I still love cardio. I used to do huge amounts of cardio, especially bicycling which is not just cardio but a wonderful way to experience nature and adventure.

I do NOT share the strange disdain for cardio exercise that many lifters do-- I see it as just about the only way to lower your resting heart rate.

But one of the things that happened to me is that as I worked hard to save up money, is I was far too tired because of my age to exercise in my 50s for months at a time, during those times I really porked up and stiffened up.

Alcohol makes all that worse but when I was working in a maximum security prison I had a trouble surviving psychologically.

Denial is great, but we all disappear completely and forever.

So make the most of your time. Every day at a job you don't like, every day hungover, is gone and not coming back.

The thing is why NOT engage in denial? It's not like you'll get points after you're dead for being honest with yourself.

The truth is you can't at this point stop the over all progress of aging-- the cells just don't replicate right-- you can't stop this, it's an analog process and the genes degrade. Just looking at how your toenails change is frightening: rougher, dryer, more irregular-- you can tell the tissue formation is just veering off course.

Yeah, life is a miracle etc. My 18 year old girlfriend sure is.

Quote: (10-03-2014 05:38 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

52

What else you got? I'm having a hard time relating to this thread even though I wanted it. I'm 45

What are you doing tonight?

Quote: (08-14-2008 10:33 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote: (08-14-2008 01:10 PM)Needless Wrote:  

Good question. Do Roosh, Roissy and co imagine themselves still wandering bars and clubs when they're in their fifties?

Hell no. I'm 29 and getting sick of the scene.
....

If I was 50 and lonely, first I would cry and drink alone. But then when that doesn't work I'd go to the old people bar ....

No way. It's $700 to come to the Phils if you've got any passive income at all which you should have by 55 if you worked even 15 years.

I'm over 55 my GF is an adorable 18 YO nurse's aide who has wanted to work in medicine all her life and help people. Wants me to marry her, have told her I'm not going back to USA.

NAWALT.

How to escape what I perceive as horrible air pollution will be in a FU post.

Quote: (10-03-2014 05:46 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

about "do i even lift"

I think it's an important point , I agree that lifting weights seems by far the most efficient way to (temporarily) reverse my physical decline when I do it.

I still love cardio. I used to do huge amounts of cardio, especially bicycling which is not just cardio but a wonderful way to experience nature and adventure.

I do NOT share the strange disdain for cardio exercise that many lifters do-- I see it as just about the only way to lower your resting heart rate.

But one of the things that happened to me is that as I worked hard to save up money, is I was far to tired because of my age to exercise in my 50s for months at a time, during those times I really porked up and stiffened up.

Alcohol makes all that worse but when I was working in a maximum security prison I had a trouble surviving psychologically.

Denial is great, but we all disappear completely and forever.

So make the most of your time. Every day at a job you don't like, every day hungover, is gone and not coming back.

The thing is why NOT engage in denial? It's not like you'll get points after you're dead for being honest with yourself.

IKE:

I am NOT trying to be judgmental because in reality it seems that you have about 10 years on me, so it would be a little bit difficult for me to talk specifically about your situation because I have NOT experienced my 50s yet.. but I have experienced decline in energy and more difficulties keeping on muscle mass, etc..

I believe that my recent experiences of the past few years and my relationship to exercise can lend some comparison points... and in reality I force myself to exercise... I shoot for 5-6 days a week of exercise, but sometimes only am able to accomplish 3 days a week.

Frequently, I view exercise as a big ass waste of time and I do NOT want to do it, but mentally, I force myself into such a routine.. even though I continue to say that I hate it and even though I continue to say that this is way too much work and way too exhausting of an activity.. but I continue to force myself into it. One caveat is that I have engaged in a lot of salsa social dancing as a substitute, which is probably NOT the greatest kind of exercise - but it brings a social element that makes me feel a bit better psychologically, but even if I am salsa dancing a lot of times in a week, I still consider that a couple of times in that week, I need to accomplish other exercises that include resistance training.


I have exercised and stayed active for a large majority of my adult life (but I had some episodes of inactivity and even times during my late 30s and early 40s that I was ONLY engaged in salsa dancing - which was NOT really good for my physique nor my physical prowess or stamina - in part due to problems with my diet and sleep, too).

In any event, I have had extended periods of my life focused on cardio work outs and jogging - even up until recently, but the fact of the matter is that the cardio has a tendency to wear a guy out, and does NOT really contribute very well to other beneficial aspects that men need to continue to build upon - that is the maintenance and building of muscle mass (which seems to erode with aging and also seems to be related to testosterone production).

I believe that even you recognize aspects of the benefits of resistance training with your post that seems to concede about the benefits of resistance training.

If you can figure out a way to combine or even to cut back on the cardio and substitute resistance training for your cardio, you will likely see positive results over time.. Maybe it will take several months or even a year, but you will likely see it and then feel it? I personally have been reading about this as well and that one of the challenges for aging (that i have experienced the beginning stages) is maintaining muscle mass.

Sometimes people will spend an hour or more in the gym, but think about spending only 20 to 40 minutes (getting in and getting out - fuck it about spending so much time in there). If you are NOT feeling great on any particular day, then just do your exercise and try to get the best out of it in 20 quality minutes, and if you are feeling good keep going for 40 minutes and get the fuck out.. .. Maybe you can extend this upside time to 60 minutes, but I tend to value getting many days rather than skipping days?

So within your workouts, you should focus on incrementally increasing the percentage of the time that you are engaged in resistance training rather than cardio.

Maybe you will always feel that you need to fit in some cardio, maybe 5 minutes to warm up, and then 10-30 minutes of resistance training and then 5 minutes to finish the work out. Also, if you get to working out on a regular basis, you may start to find that it is better to put the cardio portion of the workout at the end of the work out, rather than at the beginning. That way you have more energy for the resistance training.... When I first returned to the gym, a few years ago, I was so out of shape that I put cardio in the beginning and then I was worn out after the cardio; however, I built up some endurance, and I felt better just going straight to the resistance training and placing the cardio at the end of my work outs (10-15 minutes at the end).

Finally, if in the beginning of your getting back into a work out routine, you find the resistance training to be too much exertion because all of your muscles are going to feel atrophied and sore and NOT in shape, then convert the resistance training into a form of cardio with low weight and a lot of repetitions (20-30 repetitions). You can do 3 to 5 sets of whatever exercise you choose while rotating body parts (chest and triceps) (back and biceps) (shoulders and legs).

After you get used to lifting and your muscles are NOT so fucking sore for several days after each work-out, then you can work yourself up to higher weights and fewer repetitions (maybe some sets will only have 5-8 reps - so for example, after you get a little more used to the exercises, then you may start out a particular exercise with a set of 14 reps, then higher weight and 10 reps and then higher weight and 8 reps and then lower weight and 12 reps). I personally like to engage in a form of pyramid lifting to have high reps for the first sets and then work myself up to higher weights with my sets and then work my way back down to lower weights and higher reps.


Ultimately the advantages of working out in the form of including (and/or increasing) resistance training is to build your endurance and build your ability to carry your groceries up the stairs and build your ability to pick up a girl (maybe?) or to run after her, if needed, and ultimately living longer with fewer metabolic syndrome symptoms.

Diet and sleep is another important aspect of course.

Flying back from San Francisco but will be in Tampa next week meeting up with an 18yo, and a 23 Yo...want to get together and chat?