Quote: (09-18-2014 12:23 PM)Bill Wrote:  

Diet must be 99,7 % perfect? If true, that´s why it´s so damn difficult.

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To achieve leanness so your six pack is clearly visible, your diet has to be 99.7% perfect. That 0.3% is occasional cookie or piece of birthday cake you have to have.

You can exercise for 3 years consistently and intensively, but if your diet is not almost perfect, you and nobody else will see your abs visible.

What you eat is not only important for achieving great leanness, it is also crucially important for your health.

Imagine yourself, that you are living 10 000 years ago. You live in the cave and now you are hungry. You get out of the cave and start looking for something to eat. You find some berry bushes full of berries, some apples and pears on the tree. You climb the tree and eat some apples and enjoy some berries too. Than you find some wild greens, nuts and if you are lucky, you catch a rabbit, turkey or fish for dinner. On the way back to the cave you stop at the creek to get some water. You cook the fish at home, have some greens and nuts with it and enjoy pear as a desert. Than you drink some water. And that is exactly how your diet should look like. A cave man diet is six- pack abs diet.

As a cave woman looking for food, you don’t find pizzas growing on trees or cupcakes growing on the ground or coke creek in the woods, or any candy bar trees. Those are all the bad foods modern society created and we are all surrounded by them. They taste good, they are addictive and very hard to resist. Yet some can resist it and you should too if you really care about your health and leanness.

http://www.milanstolicny.com/six-pack-ab...o-achieve/

That 99.7% compliance seems a bit extreme.

I have frequently heard about the 80/20 rule applying to diet (I know we have a form of 80/20 rule in game, too), but in diet the 80/20 rule signifies that you should follow your dietary lifestyle preferences 80% of the time.

I strive for higher compliance than 80%, and mine could be higher, but I try NOT to get caught up on exact quantifications but stick with estimations and largely complying most of the time. The exceptions would be once in a while in order to act kind of NORMAL..... like attending a party or going out for beers or treating my indulgence for ice cream (dates seem to get a lot of pleasure from ice cream - especially the skinny cute ones... those little bitches... ) .. but in the end, I believe that I largely achieve greater than 80% compliance.

NOW, there also may be a form of induction phase, too, when you are attempting to cut, you may need to be a little more strict, as compared with long-term maintenance where you could probably be a little more lax, as long as you are NOT allowing too much for carb creep or other bad habits creep (such as processed foods)

Quote: (09-18-2014 06:50 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

That 99.7% compliance seems a bit extreme.

He was talking about what you must do to obtain a "six-pack" of abs (see the attached article). That sounds about right. I have been in great shape at various points in my life, but I have never had a six-pack. In all honesty, I never tried -- but I know that it is mighty hard goal to accomplish.

Quote: (09-18-2014 07:03 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

Quote: (09-18-2014 06:50 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

That 99.7% compliance seems a bit extreme.

He was talking about what you must do to obtain a "six-pack" of abs (see the attached article). That sounds about right. I have been in great shape at various points in my life, but I have never had a six-pack. In all honesty, I never tried -- but I know that it is mighty hard goal to accomplish.

O.k. Thanks for that clarification, TG, and I suppose if a guy does NOT have genetics going for him, then something approaching that level of compliance may be useful to establish a six pack.

With that clarification, I would NOT follow that advice because I have NEVER, so far in life, had the goal of having a six pack, and I doubt that I would establish such a goal now.

On the other hand, those kinds of goals may work for other guys who have 6 pack goals and they want to go through that level of effort... I think I fall into the just want to keep my belly flat (without killing myself) camp.

Quote: (09-18-2014 12:23 PM)Bill Wrote:  

Diet must be 99,7 % perfect? If true, that´s why it´s so damn difficult.

Yes! I agree with that statistic!

If you want to have a 6pack, 9 out of 10 meals should be very high quality. (lean meats, fruits, vegetables, etc)

97 out of 100 seems fair enough to me.

If you eat 4 times a day, it would take you 25 days to eat 100 meals.

Out of those 100 meals, 97 should be very clean and 3 of them can be whatever you want -- Pizza, cheeseburgers, ice cream, etc.

Basically, its 3 "cheat" meals every 25 days.

This is if you want a 6pack. If you just want to reduce your belly, you can use other, less extreme eating strategies.

I eat a "cheat" meal once a week or once every two weeks. This week it was a bacon double cheeseburger with fries. Delicious!

If you want to have an elite body, eating clean 90% of the time is a fundamental requirement.

Being elite in anything is not easy. It takes hard work, planning, dedication.

Again, if you just want to lose weight or lose some belly fat, you can use other strategies. This is a 6pack strategy.

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I love this article! I have highlighted my favorite parts.

Quote:Quote:

Imagine yourself, that you are living 10 000 years ago. You live in the cave and now you are hungry. You get out of the cave and start looking for something to eat. You find some berry bushes full of berries, some apples and pears on the tree. You climb the tree and eat some apples and enjoy some berries too. Than you find some wild greens, nuts and if you are lucky, you catch a rabbit, turkey or fish for dinner. On the way back to the cave you stop at the creek to get some water. You cook the fish at home, have some greens and nuts with it and enjoy pear as a desert. Than you drink some water. And that is exactly how your diet should look like. A cave man diet is six- pack abs diet.

As a cave woman looking for food, you don’t find pizzas growing on trees or cupcakes growing on the ground or coke creek in the woods, or any candy bar trees. Those are all the bad foods modern society created and we are all surrounded by them. They taste good, they are addictive and very hard to resist. Yet some can resist it and you should too if you really care about your health and leanness.

I love it!

"A cave man diet is six- pack diet"

That is exactly what has worked for me:

Here is the type of diet that restored my 6pack:

(I wrote this last month)

Quote: (09-05-2014 09:33 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

8am -- Shake of 2 frozen bananas, a large scoop of peanut butter, 5 dates, coconut milk, protein powder.

10am -- large bowl of oatmeal with honey and a large handful of mixed nuts.

1pm -- 4 eggs mixed with with peppers and onion, brown rice, 4 corn tortillas

4pm -- Grilled chicken with tomatoes

7pm -- Grilled chicken with pineapple.

Very little carbs! Only quality carbs! Just lean meat and fruits & vegetables after lunch!

---

Over the years, my goal was never to have a "6 pack". My goal was to become a professional athlete. I didn't make it because I wasn't good enough.

But, even after the age of 30, I had a 6pack or very close to it.

Now, I am close to 40, if I can maintain a 6 pack, I will have an elite level body. All these years of hard work have put me in this position. I don't want to turn back now, I want to keep my 6pack for as long as I can.

I want to have an elite body. I want to take my shirt off and make the girls say -- "oh wow".

My diet has helped me get a lot of young pussy.

---

Most guys don't care about a 6pack, I understand that. They just want to lose weight and lose their belly. These guys don't have to eat good 97% of the time, these guys can eat good roughly 70 or 80% of the time.

97% is only for those going for a 6pack.

Quote: (09-20-2014 12:25 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (09-18-2014 12:23 PM)Bill Wrote:  

Diet must be 99,7 % perfect? If true, that´s why it´s so damn difficult.

Yes! I agree with that statistic!

If you want to have a 6pack, 9 out of 10 meals should be very high quality. (lean meats, fruits, vegetables, etc)

97 out of 100 seems fair enough to me.

If you eat 4 times a day, it would take you 25 days to eat 100 meals.

Out of those 100 meals, 97 should be very clean and 3 of them can be whatever you want -- Pizza, cheeseburgers, ice cream, etc.

Basically, its 3 "cheat" meals every 25 days.

This is if you want a 6pack. If you just want to reduce your belly, you can use other, less extreme eating strategies.

I eat a "cheat" meal once a week or once every two weeks. This week it was a bacon double cheeseburger with fries. Delicious!

If you want to have an elite body, eating clean 90% of the time is a fundamental requirement.

Being elite in anything is not easy. It takes hard work, planning, dedication.

Again, if you just want to lose weight or lose some belly fat, you can use other strategies. This is a 6pack strategy.

---

I love this article! I have highlighted my favorite parts.

Quote:Quote:

Imagine yourself, that you are living 10 000 years ago. You live in the cave and now you are hungry. You get out of the cave and start looking for something to eat. You find some berry bushes full of berries, some apples and pears on the tree. You climb the tree and eat some apples and enjoy some berries too. Than you find some wild greens, nuts and if you are lucky, you catch a rabbit, turkey or fish for dinner. On the way back to the cave you stop at the creek to get some water. You cook the fish at home, have some greens and nuts with it and enjoy pear as a desert. Than you drink some water. And that is exactly how your diet should look like. A cave man diet is six- pack abs diet.

As a cave woman looking for food, you don’t find pizzas growing on trees or cupcakes growing on the ground or coke creek in the woods, or any candy bar trees. Those are all the bad foods modern society created and we are all surrounded by them. They taste good, they are addictive and very hard to resist. Yet some can resist it and you should too if you really care about your health and leanness.

I love it!

"A cave man diet is six- pack diet"

That is exactly what has worked for me:

Here is the type of diet that restored my 6pack:

(I wrote this last month)

Quote: (09-05-2014 09:33 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

8am -- Shake of 2 frozen bananas, a large scoop of peanut butter, 5 dates, coconut milk, protein powder.

10am -- large bowl of oatmeal with honey and a large handful of mixed nuts.

1pm -- 4 eggs mixed with with peppers and onion, brown rice, 4 corn tortillas

4pm -- Grilled chicken with tomatoes

7pm -- Grilled chicken with pineapple.

Very little carbs! Only quality carbs! Just lean meat and fruits & vegetables after lunch!

---

Over the years, my goal was never to have a "6 pack". My goal was to become a professional athlete. I didn't make it because I wasn't good enough.

But, even after the age of 30, I had a 6pack or very close to it.

Now, I am close to 40, if I can maintain a 6 pack, I will have an elite level body. All these years of hard work have put me in this position. I don't want to turn back now, I want to keep my 6pack for as long as I can.

I want to have an elite body. I want to take my shirt off and make the girls say -- "oh wow".

My diet has helped me get a lot of young pussy.

---

Most guys don't care about a 6pack, I understand that. They just want to lose weight and lose their belly. These guys don't have to eat good 97% of the time, these guys can eat good roughly 70 or 80% of the time.

97% is only for those going for a 6pack.

By the way, Gio, you made the statistic more lenient to allow approximately 3 meals every 25 days (if you were eating 4 meals a day). However, the article is saying only .3 meals every 25 days (assuming 4 meals a day). I mean the article is saying 99.7% - NOT 97%.

Even though I do NOT want or strive for a six pack, I still speculate that 99.7% is toooooooooooo exaggerated to suggest largely NO deviation from a strict eating plan.

I think the human body is much more resilient than that and much more resilient and tolerate of some bad eating that that 99.7% compliance.

However, I am NOT going to go anywhere near such extremes to attempt to those kinds of goals... Probably, I personally, do NOT even want to do more than 90% compliance because I do NOT believe it is necessary for my personal life and I believe that around 80 to 90% is working really good for my total life balance... and people already tend to believe that I am pretty extreme - NOT that I really give too much of a flying fuck about what other people think (but it remains a factor when socializing with people).

My practice of 80-90% compliance is me personally, and I would NOT frown on anyone who would want to strive for a higher levels of compliance because that remains their personal choice if they believe that the benefits sufficiently outweigh the costs - and ultimately they are of the belief that is what they need to do in order to achieve their goals.

It does remain interesting to me to hear (whether in this thread or IRL - in the real world) some of the levels of compliance or NON-compliance that people (women and men sometimes have differing viewpoints on these matters) strive for and also the varying results that they seem to have.. and their perceptions of such results.

Quote: (09-20-2014 01:50 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

By the way, Gio, you made the statistic more lenient

99.7% - NOT 97%.

Opps!

Yeah, 99.7% is just unrealistic for most people.

I try to eat good around 85-90% of the time.

99% is too extreme for me and probably most other people.

I imagine that stat is exaggerated like a lot of the stuff we read in the media.

Quote: (09-20-2014 01:59 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (09-20-2014 01:50 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

By the way, Gio, you made the statistic more lenient

99.7% - NOT 97%.

Opps!

Yeah, 99.7% is just unrealistic for most people.

I try to eat good around 85-90% of the time.

99% is too extreme for me and probably most other people.

I imagine that stat is exaggerated like a lot of the stuff we read in the media.

or we could put it this way: are there only 3 out of 1000 guys with six packs and muscles and are 40? the 1000 guys should be "normal" guys not genetically gifted. Does is it sound legit?

Quote: (09-20-2014 02:45 PM)Bill Wrote:  

Quote: (09-20-2014 01:59 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (09-20-2014 01:50 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

By the way, Gio, you made the statistic more lenient

99.7% - NOT 97%.

Opps!

Yeah, 99.7% is just unrealistic for most people.

I try to eat good around 85-90% of the time.

99% is too extreme for me and probably most other people.

I imagine that stat is exaggerated like a lot of the stuff we read in the media.

or we could put it this way: are there only 3 out of 1000 guys with six packs and muscles and are 40? the 1000 guys should be "normal" guys not genetically gifted. Does is it sound legit?

I'm not sure I understand your question..

Would you mind rephrasing it..?

I eat tons of redmeat. "Six-pack" is almost visible.

However, I do things differently than Gio.
I only eat after 6pm, usually around 8-9pm, once a day.

In the morning I wake up, just brew some coffee and I'm ready to go. Often I'm not hungry even after 24-25 hours of fasting but I eat anyway everyday. Like a lion.

I feel very good during the day. I can't imagine working or working out with a full stomach. I only eat after all daily tasks are finished and there is only time left for relax/ sleep.

Tonight I ate:

400gr smashed meat of Beef.
150gr bacon
1 big yellow onion
5 eggs
All together mixed with some heavy cream.

I drank 0,7litres of fresh juice made of beets,apples,carrots,tomatoes and lemons,
And a giant cup of black tea.

Then to sleep.

Works well together with a few kickboxing sessions a week.

After this evil flu is over I'm going to hit the gym hard and try to put on more muscles so maybe I need to change my diet according to that.

Clean unprocessed foods is key.
I used to eat a lot of cheese also, I get much leaner when I'm skipping the dairy.
So these days I'm cutting that out also.

Quote: (09-20-2014 02:55 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (09-20-2014 02:45 PM)Bill Wrote:  

Quote: (09-20-2014 01:59 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (09-20-2014 01:50 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

By the way, Gio, you made the statistic more lenient

99.7% - NOT 97%.

Opps!

Yeah, 99.7% is just unrealistic for most people.

I try to eat good around 85-90% of the time.

99% is too extreme for me and probably most other people.

I imagine that stat is exaggerated like a lot of the stuff we read in the media.

or we could put it this way: are there only 3 out of 1000 guys with six packs and muscles and are 40? the 1000 guys should be "normal" guys not genetically gifted. Does is it sound legit?

I'm not sure I understand your question..

Would you mind rephrasing it..?

Personally, I remain of the belief that the main reason to compare ourselves to other guys would be to attempt to figure out what may work or what may NOT work for us in terms of general builds that guys have - however, our main focus, in my thinking, should remain figuring out various lifestyle adjustments that we are willing to take and to experiment with that could help us to achieve our various goals, within our pain threshold(s), whether those goals are to have a better physique, such as a six pack or to lessen our belly presence, or to have better energy (or maybe not feel so bloated because of the presence of a belly) or maybe we do NOT want to have to buy new clothes.. .. or we want to fit comfortably in the plane seat.

Certainly, we know as guys age, there are going to be fewer and fewer of them who are going to maintain a six pack (or going to want to go through such efforts to maintain a six pack), but I would put the statistics at much higher than 15% of guys (maybe depending upon which country) are maintaining a fairly decent physiques into their 40s.. though maybe less than 5% maintain a six pack.

Personally, I have doubts about whether there is a strict correlation that could easily allow us to determine causation, whether genetics, diet, sleep or exercise or some combination... and even if there were various correlations, that also may NOT establish causation.. therefore, to me, it does NOT seem to be a very fruitful endeavor to spend considerable time and energies attempting to compare ourselves to others in order to strive to figure out whether our physiques are a product of genetics (something out of our control) or lifestyle (something within our control), but instead to attempt to figure out ways to take various measures to cause results that we want to achieve... better to attempt to figure out what is in our control and what measures we are willing to take... surely, no problem to consider the various genetic obstacles, but in my thinking it seems best to try to figure out how much adjustments that we are willing to make in order to verify whether changes in lifestyle will result in changes to our physique.

Sometimes I may NOT be willing to experiment with my own body when I can learn from reading about the experiences of others - however, sometimes, I may NOT always recognize certain misconceptions that I have - partly because there is so much misinformation out there regarding what works and what does NOT work - and the various sensitivities that each of us has that may cause us to suffer more because our bodies reacts worse to the same diets that other guys may be following.

Quote: (09-20-2014 03:02 PM)Chaos Wrote:  

I eat tons of redmeat. "Six-pack" is almost visible.

However, I do things differently than Gio.
I only eat after 6pm, usually around 8-9pm, once a day.

In the morning I wake up, just brew some coffee and I'm ready to go. Often I'm not hungry even after 24-25 hours of fasting but I eat anyway everyday. Like a lion.

I feel very good during the day. I can't imagine working or working out with a full stomach. I only eat after all daily tasks are finished and there is only time left for relax/ sleep.

Tonight I ate:

400gr smashed meat of Beef.
150gr bacon
1 big yellow onion
5 eggs
All together mixed with some heavy cream.

I drank 0,7litres of fresh juice made of beets,apples,carrots,tomatoes and lemons,
And a giant cup of black tea.

Then to sleep.

Works well together with a few kickboxing sessions a week.

After this evil flu is over I'm going to hit the gym hard and try to put on more muscles so maybe I need to change my diet according to that.

Clean unprocessed foods is key.
I used to eat a lot of cheese also, I get much leaner when I'm skipping the dairy.
So these days I'm cutting that out also.

That's an interesting variation, Chaos. I forgot some of your stats.. what's your approximate age.. and have you been having improvements with this style? and approximately how long have you been following the framework?

I recall that you have been traveling a lot, so I sense that traveling can have an impact on the pattern that you chose and whether you are able to stay with the pattern (it affects me when I travel)

Also, patterns of alcohol consumption (and rest can make a pretty big difference regarding results. From what I recall Gio has a pretty decent schedule for rest and pretty low levels of alcohol consumption, and from some of your prior postings, Chaos, you ave described fairly intense levels of alcohol consumption and even intense marathon sessions of little sleep. In my thinking, these kinds of lifestyle choices can cause vastly different outcomes - even if one person is doing everything right in the eating department and another person is doing everything completely wrong in the eating department.

I don't mean any of this as critical because I truly am curious about these topics - and I personally consider keeping the tummy low as a means to preserve energy and also to cause increased energy and less inflammation throughout the body.

@Gio

One might look at this as comparison to other guys.

Let´s say we have 1000 guys who are 40 years old. How many of them statistically do you think have a legit six pack? There should be a strong correlation to their diet.

JayJuanGee.

Yeah,maybe I need to explain myself.

I have eaten lowcarb/highfat diet for years. This spring I also started juicing, before that I didn't eat any fruits or vegetables. Usually less than 10grams of carbs a day.


I even made a datasheet of that. 4 Years on LCHF Diet

Now I don't have that zero tolerance against towards carbs. (Thanks MikeCF).
I drink alot of fresh juice every day, but I don't eat any shit. Only quality carbs.

I use to eat whatever I want when I travel, but I hated coming back with several extra kilograms so I changed that.

During the lastest trip which you are referring to I ate pretty well. Chicken,fish, fruits and vegetables, whatever I could find. Alcohol I only drank the last week, before that not a single drip.

I can add that I don't drink almost any alcohol when I'm home. Those crazy binge
drinking episodes has taken place abroad.
Here at home I have a pretty regular schedule when I eat and go to sleep.

It's always abroad when things have gotten out of hand.
I hope this gave you some answers.

Quote: (09-21-2014 12:46 AM)Chaos Wrote:  

JayJuanGee.

Yeah,maybe I need to explain myself.

I have eaten lowcarb/highfat diet for years. This spring I also started juicing, before that I didn't eat any fruits or vegetables. Usually less than 10grams of carbs a day.


I even made a datasheet of that. 4 Years on LCHF Diet

Now I don't have that zero tolerance against towards carbs. (Thanks MikeCF).
I drink alot of fresh juice every day, but I don't eat any shit. Only quality carbs.

I use to eat whatever I want when I travel, but I hated coming back with several extra kilograms so I changed that.

During the lastest trip which you are referring to I ate pretty well. Chicken,fish, fruits and vegetables, whatever I could find. Alcohol I only drank the last week, before that not a single drip.

I can add that I don't drink almost any alcohol when I'm home. Those crazy binge
drinking episodes has taken place abroad.
Here at home I have a pretty regular schedule when I eat and go to sleep.

It's always abroad when things have gotten out of hand.
I hope this gave you some answers.

Chaos:

Thanks for your response and the link to your above low carb high fat thread. Actually I had to tweak the link and the correction is : http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-27396.html. I plan to comment within that thread and bump it.

I should apologize because it may seem that I have been stalking you in my various recent responses to your postings. In the everything travel thread, I had wanted to use your travel situation as a springboard to discuss my recent hospitalization experience, which had come to me as a totally quick and unexpected development.

Probably, it has been more coincidental than intentional for me to comment on your various scenarios.. and I do NOT mean to come off as criticizing you because I have actually found your various travel descriptions to be very informative and useful to consider many unexpected occurrences that can evolve while on the road and experiencing new environments.

Frequently, I find it very hard to carry out any regular routine while traveling, but I suppose it remains possible, especially for people who become seasoned in their traveling routines and/or maybe if the seasoned are pretty well-disciplined and versatile in having some options that may work in a variety of environments or to keep some cushion in the time crunches that can come when moving around through airports and hotels. There can be the adventures of trying new things, too, that may require flexibility from the routine.

Also, I probably misunderstood the extent to which drinking has been part of your lifestyle, and regarding your dietary posts, I have found them to be quite in sync with my current thinking... although I think that I have been engaged in ongoing tweaking of my diet but truly, I remain of the low carb high fat school of thought and making that work for my routine, to the extent I have one.

This is how the worlds best athlete lost weight this summer..

"I had no sugars, no dairy, I had no carbs. All I ate was meat, fish, veggies and fruit. That's it. For 67 straight days."

(Lebron James)

This what we should be eating..



Vegetables, fruit, meat, fish.

I also eat nuts and beans.

It's pretty simple. Avoid sugar, processed carbs, and dairy.

I need to start making quinoa as a substitute for rice,

Why is there so much hate on dairy? Is low fat cheese, or cottage cheese, or greek yogurt really so bad?

I have also noticed criticism of beans - they have more protein and minerals then steel cut oats or brown rice, but aren't part of many diets on this thread. Rationale?

Quote: (09-24-2014 08:31 AM)ao85 Wrote:  

Why is there so much hate on dairy? Is low fat cheese, or cottage cheese, or greek yogurt really so bad?

I have also noticed criticism of beans - they have more protein and minerals then steel cut oats or brown rice, but aren't part of many diets on this thread. Rationale?

I make a big pot of vegetable beef and bean soup with fava beans white beans and chickpeas as a big proportion.

I freeze a lot of it in individual containers.

I eat this for dinner a few times a week. It's doing well by me, I keep losing centimeters on the waistline.

Quote: (09-24-2014 08:31 AM)ao85 Wrote:  

Why is there so much hate on dairy? Is low fat cheese, or cottage cheese, or greek yogurt really so bad?

The problem here is that lowfat cheese,cottage cheese and greek yoghurt are "processed foods"

I think dairy and milk is not a problem as long as it's NATURALLY made.
No pasteurized shit or low fat bogus.

If you eat clean and natural dairy, think like they did 100 years ago then I think it's OK.

Another problem is that unpasteurized milk,yoghurt and cheese is fucking hard to find.

I love cheese aswell. Especially French white cheese.
But I eat it only on special occaisions. Like a movie snack.
Tasty stuff and there is a lot of far more worse food out there...

Like Gio alluded to Quinoa is a great rice substitute

I just got up on it seriously about two years ago

My local Trader Joe's stocks it, now I'm addicted

Quote: (09-24-2014 08:31 AM)ao85 Wrote:  

Why is there so much hate on dairy?

Dairy really varies by individual. Some people process dairy well, others don't. Each person really has to try it for themselves.

Lots of dairy just makes me fat.

But, I do enjoy raw milk, kefir, yogurt and cheese in moderation.

Quote: (09-24-2014 08:31 AM)ao85 Wrote:  

beans

Beans are great.

Quote: (09-24-2014 09:07 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

I make a big pot of vegetable beef and bean soup with fava beans white beans and chickpeas as a big proportion.

Beautiful!

With winter approaching, I will be making a lot of stuff like this!

******

This past weekend, I was sick of eating clean. I wanted some junk food.

I got a bacon double cheeseburger and fries. Then, I got a half pint of cookie dough ice cream.

The next morning, I woke up and got two bacon, egg, and cheese biscuit sandwiches. plus, a chocolate donut.

All of it was delicious.

I like to do this once a month or so just to allow myself to experience it and enjoy it.

I feel this helps me avoid becoming too much of an extremist.

Eating junk food like this sort of inspires me to get back on track and have a good week on workouts and nutrition.

After my weekend binge, I went to the market and stocked up on vegetables and fish. I will eat as clean as I can for a few weeks and then, next time I am tired and uninspired on a Saturday night, I will order a pizza or Chinese food or something.

That Sunday night, I went to the beach for a jog. I noticed that my belly fat had increased and my 6pack had become a 4pack, but, that is all part of the cycle of life.

I'm glad I ate that junk food, it keeps me sane and happy if nothing else. Now, I feel extra motivated to eat clean, for a few weeks at least.

The Belly really is the last thing to go.

Down to 185 from 200 over 9 months...took 3 inches off my waist, face leaner, fat coming off chest and triceps and people even telling me 'stop losing weight'

While the belly is smaller, seems like Ive to a long way to go

What Ive been doing:
1-2 IF days a week
2 days on weights, 1 off
3-4 days a week HIIT , typically jump rope
limit junk meals to 1/day or better yet 1 meal a week
no sugar, processed anything

Quote: (09-27-2014 09:23 AM)Kaizen Wrote:  

The Belly really is the last thing to go.

Down to 185 from 200 over 9 months...took 3 inches off my waist, face leaner, fat coming off chest and triceps and people even telling me 'stop losing weight'

While the belly is smaller, seems like Ive to a long way to go

What Ive been doing:
1-2 IF days a week
2 days on weights, 1 off
3-4 days a week HIIT , typically jump rope
limit junk meals to 1/day or better yet 1 meal a week
no sugar, processed anything

Damn Kaizen, 185 is hella lean cos you never looked fat if you were 200 from when we last met.

^ You're right, I got the height so hide it well.

When the shirt came off though, I straight up had a basketball coming out of my gut. Classic skinny fat.

I was probably walking around 30% body fat when you saw me, now at around 18.

Quote: (09-27-2014 11:16 AM)Kaizen Wrote:  

^ You're right, I got the height so hide it well.

When the shirt came off though, I straight up had a basketball coming out of my gut. Classic skinny fat.

I was probably walking around 30% body fat when you saw me, now at around 18.

What's your height, Kaizen?

And what about resistance training, do you incorporate any resistance training to help with muscle building/preservation?

My understanding is that high intensity interval training can be decent for muscle building, and it has cardio advantages; however, I thought that the incorporation of resistance training is a bit better for muscle building/preservation.

^6'3.

Lift weights about 4x/week. I experiment with different programs to see what works best. Right now Ive begun something called 'Visual Impact' which is a 6 month program.

The HIIT I do is Cardio, which is purported to burn more calories than steady state treadmill stuff for burning calories. Also has the benefit of not being boring. Resistance training is definitely for muscle building; also, having more muscle mass makes it easier to remain lean as your BMR is raised in doing so.

The fittest dude I know eat's pretty crap; so much muscle on him it's just burned off; mind you he's a bit of a genetic freak.