Dollar for dollar I will take Greece/Turkey and let them come to you in the summer. Better food and logistics with all using english. Puts you (smooth americanaki) at an advantage. Don't think for one second that greeks from the Dodecanese won't run over to Turkey (boat) to swoop tourists/or illegals (ee girls) and grab hash/heroin at 2 am...

I like fast boats but the Hellinamonsters say SEGA..SEEGA that means easy! or slow slow.

Quote: (08-12-2011 07:29 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

And before anybody says all British girls are ugly. I posted pictures of British girls in the UK thread that are better looking than most of the Norwegian ones here.

More obesity in England than anywhere else in Europe probably, but, there's still tons of hotties as well. Also it's also a crazy adventure to try to meet girls in England, they're nutters, and it's always fun no matter what result you get. Norwegian girls on average are much prettier in my opinion. If you don't like Oslo you can go north to Lofoten Islands or Tromso. It's a beautiful place and beautiful girls are all over Norway. They all speak English. Also a big city midway is Trondheim. Norway is expensive.

Quote: (08-12-2011 08:15 PM)Pacman Wrote:  

I think I m going to hit Poland 2 weeks from now, after 10 days in Italy I need something fresh and not too hard to get...
my question is: Krakow or Wroclaw?

Krakow a lot more to see and more nightlife. Wroclaw is a one trick pony. You may get a warmer welcome from girls in Wroclaw since there are less foreigners there, but that doesn't mean they'll actually go all the way with you. Krakow has a more gritty atmosphere. It's up to you.

If you're a douchebag you aren't getting laid in Poland - that I can almost guarantee. Been here long enough to see A LOT of sad faces of tourists who thought they'll just wave their dick around and it will land inside a 10's pussy. Nope.

Quote: (08-12-2011 06:42 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Oldnemesis - you obviously have not been to Peru and seen how the general public of local women go apeshit over White, Blue-eyed (Or green-eyed) men.

No, I haven't. Could you please elaborate "apeshit"? Is it like they line up in front of a white person to suck his cock right here? Or is it just "when me and him are out together, he receives more female attention than I do"? I'm asking since my understanding of "apeshit" is much closer to the first case than the second. Also does it only happen with the poor part of the population, or within the upscale population as well?

And do they really go apeshit on guys like that (assuming they have blue eyes), or it is more like "relatively young, taller than us, having more money than us, dressed good enough"?

Quote: (08-12-2011 07:10 PM)Entropy4 Wrote:  

Or white guys in SE Asia. To even call it "pick up" down here is a joke. It's more like "stand around and don't say no when they approach you."

I'd say it is more like because of race-wealth association, not because they actually prefer white people. Look on the upper middle class there, very few (if any) upscale Thai girls marry white foreigners.

Quote: (08-13-2011 05:14 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

Quote: (08-12-2011 06:42 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Oldnemesis - you obviously have not been to Peru and seen how the general public of local women go apeshit over White, Blue-eyed (Or green-eyed) men.

No, I haven't. Could you please elaborate "apeshit"? Is it like they line up in front of a white person to suck his cock right here? Or is it just "when me and him are out together, he receives more female attention than I do"? I'm asking since my understanding of "apeshit" is much closer to the first case than the second. Also does it only happen with the poor part of the population, or within the upscale population as well?

And do they really go apeshit on guys like that (assuming they have blue eyes), or it is more like "relatively young, taller than us, having more money than us, dressed good enough"?

Ok...I'll tell you my personal experience.


I am out with a white friend, and local girl approaches him, but he does not speak a lick of Spanish, so she immediately tursn to me (in spanish):

girl:"Is this your friend?"
Mixx:"Yeah, he's hanging out with me....why?"

Girl getting excited....

Girl:"Wow - he is very handsome guy...I want to kiss him" ** My friend was a 6 on a guy scale.
Mixx:"Go ahead.....just grab him and do it"
Girl:"Really?"
Mixx:"yeah, do your thing, I got your back"

My friend is clueless what we are saying in spanish...

Girl grabbed my friend by his shirt, and immediately sticks her toungue in his mouth.....

She pulls him away.....and last I know they were in the bathroom...fucking.

That' exactly how it went down, and exactly how it goes down for most white, gringo foreigners.

How much game did he have? ZERO! How stylish was my white freind? A polo golf shirt and a pair of Khaki pants....so no style!

Language skills? ZERO!

having a wing like Mixx hook shit up fast? PRICELESS!!!

Mixx

Quote: (08-13-2011 05:20 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

I'd say it is more like because of race-wealth association, not because they actually prefer white people. Look on the upper middle class there, very few (if any) upscale Thai girls marry white foreigners.

I have never been to Thailand, so I can't speak to what happens there, but here in Canada, Asians in general are very much enamored with white people. In most of Asia, being fair is a sign of being rich or upper class. It is not uncommon to see dorky looking white guys with Asian girls that are at least 2 points higher. It's always the Asian girls with the white guys though, the other way around is much rarer, even though it does happen. But, only if the guy is what is known as CBC(Canadian Born Chinese).

I wanted to share some thoughts on Poznan during the month of August.

Bottom line: It's really really bad.

1. The clubs are mostly dead. A couple of them have temporarily shut down. Saturday is really the only reliable night, whereas before you could party 5 times a week.

2. The sex ratio has gotten worse, from a starting point that wasn't that great to begin with. I'm talking 4 guys for every girl in some spots. I've stepped foot into clubs that were 6 to 1.

3. The girls are older and more likely to be a local. Due to wanting to protect their reputation, they don't move nearly as fast as the college girls. I met a girl who admitted she hasn't gotten laid in a year, but dissed me and every other guy the night I met her.

4. The girls put much less effort into their appearance. Last night more than half of the girls were wearing ballet flats. Before over 80% would be wearing heels. There are still girls who look sexy, but it's much less.

5. Attitudes are much higher. I'm actually getting blown out every few approaches. Before this did not happen. Local women are not nearly as friendly. They have a "my shit don't stink" vibe, because they know their power is increased when the students are gone. I always see this one older Polish woman (about 32) who is a 6 and a single mother but she is acting like the queen of the club. She thinks she's a celebrity.

6. English is not as common. About half of the girls don't speak it and usually don't want to indulge my basic Polish for a couple minutes.

7. Very mediocre quality. Before I could easily do 10 approaches a night on girls who were 7s and above, but I'd be lucky to approach two 7s a night now. I've had to lower my standards.

8. A lot more cockblocking. It's happening every other approach. Now I'm seeing pretty girls with ugly fat hog girlfriends, whereas before the whole group would be pretty.

9. Day game is a good alternative, but even there I'm seeing fewer younger girls. Mostly it's the older professional type, which I don't normally go for.

May was amazing, June was still good, and then July it took a turn for the worst. While I'm currently banging a nice girl, I haven't gotten a new notch in two weeks, which is the longest that has happened in Poznan. I talked to a Latino expat who lived here for three years and he says it's like that every August, and to be patient.

To give you an idea of the difficulties, this week I went out four nights and did about 25 approaches. I also did about 5 day approaches in the mall. My tally:

4 phone numbers (2 were high quality that I will pursue)
1 makeout/grope session in the club that ended due to a cockblock

During May, I would have banged at least twice from that type of effort.

In conclusion, DO NOT come during July or August. It's funny how in DC you "bun up" with a girl in the winter, but in Poznan you do that in August. Right now I'm not assuming that October will be better than May. It's possible I came during a sweet spot and it won't be duplicated again. We shall see.

Jumm. Good thing I have not purchased my tickets to Poland. This would of killed me!


Mixx

Take a 2 week break from the slump and visit a beach resort , enjoy the end of the summer in Europe before the college girls return..Ukraine ,Croatia,S or SW France

I will say that what I'm experiencing now is close to what oldnemesis has described in the past. He has a good take on the locals scene. Thankfully, the students scene is completely different.

I have lived in a large Dutch city bustling with student life for the last 4 years but the scene in the summer is exactly the same here. If I were you, I'd make sure that next year - assuming you stay in Europe - you take account of this. From what i can make out, every student city in Europe is exactly the same and consequently the summer in the city sucks.

Roosh -

Hop on a Plane for August and hit up the beach in Spain.

Things are richter scaling there right now.

Quote: (08-14-2011 09:46 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I will say that what I'm experiencing now is close to what oldnemesis has described in the past. He has a good take on the locals scene. Thankfully, the students scene is completely different.

I need to check the student scene then. But how'd you get past their stupidity?

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But how'd you get past their stupidity?

I don't agree that the Polish students (ages 21 and up) are stupid. They are much more intelligent and sharp than American women the same age. I only see problems when I go under 21.

^ Agreed. People usually aren't visibly stupid here. They may sound 'slow' if they try to speak English and don't know it well but if you were to converse in Polish you would see that it doesn't usually stem from stupidity.

However sarcasm is not too well understood more often than not. In my experience, this applies to Europe as a whole (including Western Europe). They are more straight forward in their thinking as in they assume by default that you mean what you say.

In a way, a big 'fun factor' is gone in Europe compared to the states. People are generally more serious and 'nerdish' unless they are drunk out of their mind (e.g. England at almost any given weekend night). In Poland, it's actually very rare to see a girl drunk out of her mind.

Quote: (08-14-2011 09:05 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

4 phone numbers (2 were high quality that I will pursue)
1 makeout/grope session in the club that ended due to a cockblock

During May, I would have banged at least twice from that type of effort.

Roosh, Why don't you use the Internet? You could create a profile, use google translate to Polish, and just start sending out cookie cutter messages. I wouldn't suggest this when you have better options but it sounds like you have some downtime now. You have to use every means necessary... give it a shot, at least you'll learn something.

Try http://www.fotoflirt.pl/

Quote: (08-15-2011 10:23 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I don't agree that the Polish students (ages 21 and up) are stupid. They are much more intelligent and sharp than American women the same age. I only see problems when I go under 21.

Yeah, Polish students may be less stupid than here in America. But even in Romania I wasn't impressed. How could you talk to a chick whose life dream is visiting Amsterdam?

Quote: (08-15-2011 08:12 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

Quote: (08-15-2011 10:23 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I don't agree that the Polish students (ages 21 and up) are stupid. They are much more intelligent and sharp than American women the same age. I only see problems when I go under 21.

Yeah, Polish students may be less stupid than here in America. But even in Romania I wasn't impressed. How could you talk to a chick whose life dream is visiting Amsterdam?

Let's keep things in perspective though Oldnemesis.

You could be talking to an American girl whose life dream is visiting "Paris Casino" Las Vegas. Right?

Hi all! New to forum and wanted to first give thanks for all the great information. Onward...

It would appear my travels have brought me through Poland at the worst possible time. Prior to arriving in Wroclaw, I was in St. Pete, Riga and Vilnius. If asked a month ago I would have without hesitation said Wroclaw would be the easiest to pull. Dead wrong! I have gotten nothing but attitude and this is from girls that are way below my bang standards. There is a very low percentage of good looking girls and the amount that speak english is much lower than i expected. The only success i am having is during the day. The girls still give me that wow look when i am talking to them. The problem...there aren't enough hotties during the day. Yes, my standards are high but in several hours i saw 3 girls that most would agree are very attractive. The rest are falling in the categories of pass or cute enough with a few beers and no other options.

does anybody have suggestions on how i can salvage this situation? I am putting in so much effort with zero return and it is really pissing me off. This is after killing it in vilnius. What a let down...

^ @T-Mac, said several times, in the Baltics girls are a few notches prettier and more straight forward in their answers to your advances ('yes' or 'no', whatever the answer may be).

Quote: (08-20-2011 06:00 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  

does anybody have suggestions on how i can salvage this situation?

What's to salvage LOL. You don't like it move on. The only thing 'wrong' with Wroclaw is that you feel it doesn't live up to hype you read on an internet forum.

T-Mac: Yes, summer in Poland is not super. Come back in October.

Quote: (08-15-2011 08:14 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

You could be talking to an American girl whose life dream is visiting "Paris Casino" Las Vegas. Right?

If she said it was her lifetime dream I'd probably quit her right there. I simply can't keep up with stupidity, too much pressure.

At least a dozen girls have told me that her dream is going to America.

When do the students get back?

Also what is the best airline for domestic flights in Poland?