I've encountered this enough times that now I wonder what it means as far as how I am perceived by girls after having sex with them.

After I have had sex with a girl once or a couple times it seems most spill their dating histories and troubles unsolicited at some point in our fling pretty soon after I got the first bang.

Sometimes I play along and ask simple leading questions to see how much rope I can give to hang themselves with as they become tell-alls like we are on Oprah.

I can't figure out how they are so comfortable spilling their pasts with lost love, hook ups, love for complete assholes.

Is this because I come off as purely a guy for sex and not BF material? Or is it because I come off as so comfortable with them that This Was Beta and they don't try to hide their pasts to seem better.

Do chicks just not give a shit about the image they project to the guy they are fucking?

You're just dick to them; when a chick is trying to lock you down, she does everything she can to put her best foot forward, she doesn't sabotage the effort by telling you of her other fuck buddies, lost loves, and beta orbiters.

"Do chicks just not give a shit about the image they project to the guy they are fucking? "

Pretty much. Unless they are trying to lock you down into a relationship, women have no problem spilling all kinds of personal shit. I've encountered this with women I had as fuck buddies and women who "friend zoned" me back in high school. It's especially rampant if you are in the friend zone. They tell you pretty much anything regarding their history, friends, etc. Part of how I became red pill so fast.

If you are dating a woman seriously, she won't be so eager to talk about this kind of stuff... unless she is shit testing you. (ex. "my ex did blah blah blah) Otherwise, she tends to disguise things better. Hence, how many men are tricked into long term relationships.

Quote: (08-13-2014 10:46 PM)Old Fritz Wrote:  

"Do chicks just not give a shit about the image they project to the guy they are fucking? "

Pretty much. Unless they are trying to lock you down into a relationship, women have no problem spilling all kinds of personal shit. I've encountered this with women I had as fuck buddies and women who "friend zoned" me back in high school. It's especially rampant if you are in the friend zone. They tell you pretty much anything regarding their history, friends, etc. Part of how I became red pill so fast.

If you are dating a woman seriously, she won't be so eager to talk about this kind of stuff... unless she is shit testing you. (ex. "my ex did blah blah blah) Otherwise, she tends to disguise things better. Hence, how many men are tricked into long term relationships.

I mostly agree with OldFritz, yet I get the sense that girls do this kind of thing in order for you to share your information with them, as well... which you can play along with her choice of topics or NOT.

I tend to NOT play along with it because I tend to say thing things to discourage women from sharing this kind of information with me. I will say things such as: Do I know the guy? Am I going to run into him? What does this have to do with me? If she answers yes to any of those kinds of questions, then I will be interested in knowing because I do NOT want to get into drama and/or confrontations, if I can avoid it.

However, for the most part, the girl has to really want to and push to share this kind of information with me or to describe its relevance to me, otherwise, I will continue to divert and to change the subject - because generally I tend to NOT be very interested in hearing about her prior relationships unless it is going to directly affect me, somehow.

Quote: (08-13-2014 10:18 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

Is this because I come off as purely a guy for sex and not BF material? Or is it because I come off as so comfortable with them that This Was Beta and they don't try to hide their pasts to seem better.

They do this because you're one of the "insiders" the Tyler Durden spoke about in his "secret club" article. If you're cool and seem like a NSA sex guy then they just talk freely. If you are blue pill they are tight lipped.

It doesn't bother me in the least. For them, it's them getting to know you better (ironic, because all you do is listen but they think they know you). For me, it helps me to learn what kind of kinky shit they're into and I get new ideas for kinky shit, places to have sex, etc.

Honest, it does bother me though if I'm in a frame of mind of scarcity, which does happen now and again. But as long as you have that cool abundance mentality it's all good and doesn't bother me at all; in fact its gets me excited and even more red pill.

I don't want to hear it. To me it's trolling when a girl starts telling me that stuff.

If I haven't ducked her yet, I just try to change the subject.

If I have fucked her and she does it, them I scratch her off the list of potential LTR.

Quote: (08-13-2014 10:46 PM)Old Fritz Wrote:  

"Do chicks just not give a shit about the image they project to the guy they are fucking? "

Pretty much. Unless they are trying to lock you down into a relationship, women have no problem spilling all kinds of personal shit. I've encountered this with women I had as fuck buddies and women who "friend zoned" me back in high school. It's especially rampant if you are in the friend zone. They tell you pretty much anything regarding their history, friends, etc. Part of how I became red pill so fast.

If you are dating a woman seriously, she won't be so eager to talk about this kind of stuff... unless she is shit testing you. (ex. "my ex did blah blah blah) Otherwise, she tends to disguise things better. Hence, how many men are tricked into long term relationships.

She's trying to de-ball you and treat you like a girlfriend.

Bottom Line. She basically has no respect for you.

i say just keep her as a FB and keep the ball rolling.
easy way to detach and works in your favor.

They never do it before fucking me though. Never a single word about it.

Either way, I wonder if that means my frame is good right now being seen as a sex only guy.

Otherwise it means I need to look at what I'm doing and get a better frame where a girl always sees me as a guy she will bang and will have the respect to act like she wants to win me over for a relationship for the time we spend together.

It is nice to hear the honesty to know where a girl has been so I don't get tricked into thinking she was someone she isn't, but the ego boost of them shutting their mouths and trying to impress me by showing their best self is nice.

Quote: (08-13-2014 11:41 PM)simonafc Wrote:  

Bottom Line. She basically has no respect for you.

i say just keep her as a FB and keep the ball rolling.
easy way to detach and works in your favor.

I don't know if you can boil it down to a lack of respect for the guy, because, even as some guys seem to concede, here, they are o.k. with the girl talking and they are kind of encouraging the girl(s) to share this kind of information.

I mean, I really do play it by ear with the girl, and depending on how the subject came up may give her more of an excuse for following that line of discussion. However, if I have given girls clear signs that I am NOT interested in certain conversations, and they keep pursuing it, then that is another story.. and goes down into the lack of respect territory or that she has the wrong expectation of our relationship.

^ When it happens to me it usually is a subtle opening they give that I have the choice of shutting down or changing subject easily which I have in the past. They comply.

I often want to know what type of girl I am getting into so if they open the door to it I ask small open ended questions and see where they go with it.

A girl has never started blatantly rambling about her past and won't shut up. When they talk about it I am definitely entertaining it to see how far the down the rabbit hole she goes, I guess the original post refers to the fact how openly and easily they spill their guts once you give them the tiniest green light to talk about it.

The stronger frame move is to shut it down immediately as I have in the past. On the other hand I don't see how it is a good move to make a girl your main or a solid mini-relationship and stay blissfully ignorant if she is willing to truthfully spill some of her guts easily if you let her.

Quote: (08-13-2014 11:51 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

I don't know if you can boil it down to a lack of respect for the guy, because, even as some guys seem to concede, here, they are o.k. with the girl talking and they are kind of encouraging the girl(s) to share this kind of information.

I mean, I really do play it by ear with the girl, and depending on how the subject came up may give her more of an excuse for following that line of discussion. However, if I have given girls clear signs that I am NOT interested in certain conversations, and they keep pursuing it, then that is another story.. and goes down into the lack of respect territory or that she has the wrong expectation of our relationship.

i do see your point of view, but i would have to add, the idea that most girls that are going for a Relationship, wouldn't try to talk about the past or their Ex's that kind of information is taboo for most people.

Most girls would savor and try to protect themselves, but unless they are asked, they cant really turn the question down, and if they avoid it, its kind of sketchy, but for most girls to spill it out she's just batshit crazy.

Quote: (08-14-2014 12:11 AM)simonafc Wrote:  

but for most girls to spill it out she's just batshit crazy.

Maybe that's the problem. I have a problem of attracting girls that are too boring and straight lace or too crazy(fun). I have a very hard time attracting the in between.

Boring straight lace girls don't have as much of a storied history they are ready to spill, crazy chicks want to emotionally barf everywhere when they get the chance.

Who care's what you're attracting, as long as you're out there having fun and enjoying yourself and the "seduction" period, than everything else falls under your mental stability.

Game is great, game is good, but at the end of the day, it is still a hobby for most people.

Have a good balance, and have that companionship from time to time.

When i get into a relationship with a girl, it's because i "Choose" to be in a relationship,
not because i am forced to be.

Cheers

Simonafc

I think what I learned from this thread advice is really don't leave open the door to spill their guts unless you see them as a potential LTR. Even though going down the rabbit hole is interesting, it really doesn't serve a good purpose for new or rotation girl ever, it can't positively affect my mindset.

If it was a LTR candidate I'd definitely want to know as much truth as possible. Rather face the music early than down the road.

when information is ready to be told, it will be told.

no poker player shows their card randomly.

Quote: (08-13-2014 10:18 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

Is this because I come off as purely a guy for sex and not BF material? Or is it because I come off as so comfortable with them that This Was Beta and they don't try to hide their pasts to seem better.

Do chicks just not give a shit about the image they project to the guy they are fucking?

1) Just a FB or BF material?

It's not clear either way
- she could be hella comfortable
- she could have put you into GF mode
- she could be trying to entice you
- she could be trying to get a rise out of you

You'll just never know

2) Should you dead it?
Naw, let her talk your ear off.

"so he got you to do anal"

If it bothers you, fuck her a few more times then fade awayyyyyyyy...

3) Image

After she's fucked you, maybe deep down she knows you've seen most of what you came for.

I like a slut. Bitch like that would stay on the roster if the nana is tight and she knows how to handle her shit.

More often than not, it's a girl that can't fuck, that's been fucked a fair amount. Got ran through and didn't learn a thing.

WIA

Quote: (08-14-2014 12:32 AM)simonafc Wrote:  

Who care's what you're attracting, as long as you're out there having fun and enjoying yourself and the "seduction" period, than everything else falls under your mental stability.

Game is great, game is good, but at the end of the day, it is still a hobby for most people.

Have a good balance, and have that companionship from time to time.

When i get into a relationship with a girl, it's because i "Choose" to be in a relationship,
not because i am forced to be.

Cheers

Simonafc

I think that you are attempting to be too alpha in your characterization of your relationship with chicks.

I have been in a lot of relationships over the years, and very few of them end up being as simple as you seem to be describing... Chicks are definitely capable of drama.. and even situations are capable of producing drama and unexpected turns of events and even NOT knowing how to handle a given situation... whether it is a shit test or NOT. And, sometimes certain relationships may NOT be much fun, even though you as the guy may have intended the relationship to be fun. Girls will sometimes have other very different ideas and act upon their differing ideas... even against your will... so I have experienced.

Surely, you are correct that you have to chose to be in the relationship rather than being force.. but she also has to want to be in that relationship whether short or long or whatever conditions or circumstances, otherwise, you are going to be battling on a constant basis...

For me this is the type of stuff I try to get out of them, but girls don't want to give up. It's really interesting to me and tells me a lot about them. However, most girls aren't dumb enough to say all of it. I bet it's a western girl that you are talking about because only they are dilusional enough to think that guys wouldn't care.

^ Yes all are American girls in CA. In the last few years I've noticed the bravado and non-challance when girls talk about hooking up. Every college girl I run across is obsessed with being very scheduled and/or independent. Sex just isn't a big deal with many of them. This includes when they have lower partner counts.

Their independent future is so important that BF and husband thoughts are a distant priority at best.

Thanks everyone for the input.

It happens to me often enough I am not surpised.

It seems to happen more often with girls where the chemistry, sex, and conversation is really good between us. I find that odd because I would think those chicks that easily show and talk about how much they are enjoying themselves (conversation included) would be thinking me as more BF material and keep quiet.

I am disarming with girls because I listen, pick up on details, and let them do 80%+ of the talking even with very shy girls I follow this.

I come off as extremely non judgemental which I am sure helps get quick bangs.

I've had the desire for mini relationships lately and am wondering if this listener non-judgemental strategy puts me too far in the "this guy is just dick" zone.

The fantasy of living out a mini-relationship is not as enjoyable when she shatters your desired special snowflake syndrom when she spills about the guys she still thinks about that were just there for the bangs and talks about an ex she "loved" and cheated on lol.

Pimp backhand to your face and a bucket of cold water on your head hah.

I am changing my online dating profiles to WIA's quote:

"I like a slut. Bitch like that will stay on the roster if her nana is tight and she knows how to handle her shit."

I've had girls I only fuck tell me who've they've banged in the past week.

or tell me dates they went on and how boring they were

This other girl told me how she was having problems with this guy she was seeing.


This after we fuck and honestly, I don't give a shit, because they come back. Eventually if they do leave it's because they left for some beta schmuck who gave into them.


I wouldn't worry about it, it's all apart of the game.

Quote: (08-14-2014 02:31 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

I come off as extremely non judgemental which I am sure helps get quick bangs.

I've had the desire for mini relationships lately and am wondering if this listener non-judgemental strategy puts me too far in the "this guy is just dick" zone.

You're kinda stuck kemosabe.

If you tighten up, she's going to tighten up.
If you keep it loose, she let's it loose.

But the real battle here is how you feel about a broad that's been out there getting hers.

It's common in pick up circles to
- hate a chick for doing #'s
- hate a chick who falls for you fast

Them damn near virginal bitches (20 dicks or less) will be disappointing in some other way.

You got to humanize these chicks.

It's their humanity, their impulsivity, their focus on feelings that allows you to bang em - but it's also the thing that makes them enjoyable to be around (and also frustrating to be around)

WIA

Once a chic is willing to have sex with you, she has weeded you out and is committed to bonding with you rather than every other guy on earth. And she thinks you've done the same...hehehe

Even with sluttier chics, Oxycontin is a very strong drug. In the afterglow post-sex, she "feels" (Oxycontin-induced) bonded to you.

This was one aspect of game that grossed me out.

I don't tell a woman how many women i've slept with. Why should I hear hers? No need to talk about it.